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Dingwall Owners Club
- Thread starter FroggyOne2
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The original Payson Fanned Nickel Steel strings have been reformulated with a Reduced Core for less tension. The outside wrap remains the same with it's relatively larger, smoother feel. The lighter core decreases tension while increasing harmonic content. It adds noticeably more snap and pop on the D & G strings for the slappers.
No need to adjust the truss rod when installing the new PFNS-Reduced Core sets, just a drop in fit with no adjustments.
I'm really happy with the way these turned out.The PFNS-ML sets are an all together different core to wrap ratio.
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GilGB, beautiful ABXXX.
I see the reduced core sets over at Bassstringsonline.com, but only in five string sets.
Can I get a C for the sixer?
I'm really liking the medium light nickels, how do they compare to the reduced core? I'd be really excited about an even softer feeling string with the same smooth wrap.
The first version of the Payson nickel rounds were quite stiff. I liked how they worked, and sounded, and the super low action. But over the last couple years, my tastes have changed towards lighter, softer strings. I love TI jazz flats, but I'd consider them to be a "very soft" on the scale of soft to stiff. It was too much of a change for me to go from the TI flats to the first edition Payson nickels. Like going from driving a cushy old Cadillac to a formula one car.
The medium lights are much more in line with what I want now.
Thanks for bringing us yet another string option for our Dingwalls!
Can I get a C for the sixer?
I'm really liking the medium light nickels, how do they compare to the reduced core? I'd be really excited about an even softer feeling string with the same smooth wrap.
The first version of the Payson nickel rounds were quite stiff. I liked how they worked, and sounded, and the super low action. But over the last couple years, my tastes have changed towards lighter, softer strings. I love TI jazz flats, but I'd consider them to be a "very soft" on the scale of soft to stiff. It was too much of a change for me to go from the TI flats to the first edition Payson nickels. Like going from driving a cushy old Cadillac to a formula one car.
The medium lights are much more in line with what I want now.
Thanks for bringing us yet another string option for our Dingwalls!
I'm not sure you're going to find the PFNS-Reduced Core to have less tension than the PFNS-ML sets. Probably in the same ball park as the ML's most likely.
The original PFNS sets were designed to retain slightly more tension of a brand new set of Dingwalls, or similar set, 30-45 days (depending on how much you play) after you install them, continuing through out their life. I don't really think anyone understood that was the goal. I can still grab an original used set of PFNS strings with the gold ball ends and they feel and sound perfect. If someone put the original PFNS sets on, and didn't allow them to break in, or tighten the truss rod 1/8- 1/4 turn, they would never realize how they could have sounded broken in.
The Reduced Cores are the next logical step and should please those looking for less tension in the larger smooth outer winding formula.
Jason can do a 6 string set for you Single.
Some exciting news here!!
While I am waiting for the Dingwall Nickel strings to arrive, I have received two sets of strings from Sansone Strings which I have mentioned to you guys a few months ago, as these are the strings endorsed by Alessandro Stellano who is a Dingwall endorser, I am very excited because Alessandro is coming to play a gig in London with his rock band called Hungarvain at a very big and important venue called the Roundhouse in Camden, a lot of famous names play in that place, anyway I am excited because I will be doing their photographic shoot and will also record a video for them.
Anyway these Sansone strings are here, they sent me two sets to try one for my Dingwall long scale 5 string bass (ABZ or ABII) and one set of 4 strings for normal basses which I will put on my Fender American Standard Jazz. Soon as they are on I will report my findings and let you all know what they are like, Hopefully with the help of Bass Direct, the idea is to start importing these Sansone strings so as soon as they are on my bass I will go and take that bass to Mark Stickley for him to try and decide. Let's hope they are as good as Alessandro Stellano says.
Personally I am prepared to try anything even though I am devoted to the Dingwall's own brand of Stainless Steel, I will see how these Sansone compare and will hold no bar on my opinion of them, in other words if I find them to be crap I will tell it as it is. You know I will
Here are the strings:
While I am waiting for the Dingwall Nickel strings to arrive, I have received two sets of strings from Sansone Strings which I have mentioned to you guys a few months ago, as these are the strings endorsed by Alessandro Stellano who is a Dingwall endorser, I am very excited because Alessandro is coming to play a gig in London with his rock band called Hungarvain at a very big and important venue called the Roundhouse in Camden, a lot of famous names play in that place, anyway I am excited because I will be doing their photographic shoot and will also record a video for them.
Anyway these Sansone strings are here, they sent me two sets to try one for my Dingwall long scale 5 string bass (ABZ or ABII) and one set of 4 strings for normal basses which I will put on my Fender American Standard Jazz. Soon as they are on I will report my findings and let you all know what they are like, Hopefully with the help of Bass Direct, the idea is to start importing these Sansone strings so as soon as they are on my bass I will go and take that bass to Mark Stickley for him to try and decide. Let's hope they are as good as Alessandro Stellano says.
Personally I am prepared to try anything even though I am devoted to the Dingwall's own brand of Stainless Steel, I will see how these Sansone compare and will hold no bar on my opinion of them, in other words if I find them to be crap I will tell it as it is. You know I will
Here are the strings:
Exciting news indeed, GW!
Very interested in hearing your string report.
While I love the tone of the Dingwall stainless' I am very disappointed in how quickly they give up the ghost. I can wear these things out quicker than a set of D'addarios. It's become grossly apparent since I have been playing the Super J full time. I wipe them down, wash my hands prior to handling, with no luck.
The sets I purchased direct were best and were average in terms of life. I went to a couple of local vendors to avoid customs, ship time etc. the last go round both sets of strings were really old based on the packaging.
I wish I had remembered to ask if I could add 4 or 5 sets when I ordered the Super P5. I suspect the strings would be factory fresh.
Very interested in hearing your string report.
While I love the tone of the Dingwall stainless' I am very disappointed in how quickly they give up the ghost. I can wear these things out quicker than a set of D'addarios. It's become grossly apparent since I have been playing the Super J full time. I wipe them down, wash my hands prior to handling, with no luck.
The sets I purchased direct were best and were average in terms of life. I went to a couple of local vendors to avoid customs, ship time etc. the last go round both sets of strings were really old based on the packaging.
I wish I had remembered to ask if I could add 4 or 5 sets when I ordered the Super P5. I suspect the strings would be factory fresh.
Zoomie I believe is to do with our individual PH I am blessed with the fact that I don't sweath much and all strings not just the Ding'ers last me for ages. I know a man who can deaden a set of strings within the first set of his gig. Sadly he has to play flatwound because S/Steels or Nickel go pear shape on him almost immediately.
I'd say! Have fun working with Hungarvain! I think you're onto something with the unique PH we all have affecting string life. I must be fairly neutral. I don't wipe my strings and they seem to last pretty long. Cool aquarium, BTW...
Zoomie - stay away from the brown acid!
Give Barry a holler or an e-mail. He would be happy to tack some string sets on to your SP5 order. I did the same thing a couple of days ago.
I'd say! Have fun working with Hungarvain! I think you're onto something with the unique PH we all have affecting string life. I must be fairly neutral. I don't wipe my strings and they seem to last pretty long. Cool aquarium, BTW...
Zoomie - stay away from the brown acid!
Yes I love my aquarium it's biOrb Life 30 I got a nice 8 minute relaxing video of it with Zappa's Blessed Relief playing over it!
First report on the Sansone Strings, as you know they've sent me two sets of the same material Stainless Steel, one set of 5 for the long scale Dingwall basses and a set of 4 for standard bass, as I've mentioned, my plan is to go to Bass Direct and fit the strings to my ABZ 5 and let Mark try these strings and see if he is impressed enough to start distributing them to the UK market, and maybe who knows make them available also to you nice peeps in the US of A, and Canada.
Long story short, I have stuck to my plan and I have only fitted the set of 4 strings to my beloved Fender Am St. Jazz and to say that I am impressed is an understatement!
The first thing that I have noticed is that whilst they are a medium gauge 044 / 064 / 084 / 104 they provide a satisfactory elasticity to the the touch, while maintaining a seriously boomy (nickel like) sound but with a lot and I really mean a lot of top end zing on all 4 strings. It was an immediate love affair and testing these strings has been far from a disappointment, so much so that as I am writing now, it is 02:21 am and I have only just put the bass down, having had so much fun playing it with these new strings. They pop, bounce, honk, bend and pull like a dream, they are very enjoyably flexible and yet, the low end on these is serious business.
I can't wait to put the other set on my Ding'o this weekend and let Mark of Bass Direct have that experience, after which I will take these strings off my Dingwall, coil them back in the envelopes and send them to Master Sheldon to check 'em out, I will order more from Sansone right after so I want Sheldon to hear and feel these for himself as I think, I have found the ultimate S/Steel set for our basses. Thanks to these strings my Fender Jazz has gained a clearer voice and a much more balanced sustain than the Ernie Balls Super Slinky, which up to now where my weapon of choice for standard non fan-fretted basses, even though I still love those EB's new Cobalt strings for the sheer power they deliver.
Next report will be after the weekend when I have tried the Sansone strings on my ABZ5.
Time to go to bed now... over and out.
Long story short, I have stuck to my plan and I have only fitted the set of 4 strings to my beloved Fender Am St. Jazz and to say that I am impressed is an understatement!
The first thing that I have noticed is that whilst they are a medium gauge 044 / 064 / 084 / 104 they provide a satisfactory elasticity to the the touch, while maintaining a seriously boomy (nickel like) sound but with a lot and I really mean a lot of top end zing on all 4 strings. It was an immediate love affair and testing these strings has been far from a disappointment, so much so that as I am writing now, it is 02:21 am and I have only just put the bass down, having had so much fun playing it with these new strings. They pop, bounce, honk, bend and pull like a dream, they are very enjoyably flexible and yet, the low end on these is serious business.
I can't wait to put the other set on my Ding'o this weekend and let Mark of Bass Direct have that experience, after which I will take these strings off my Dingwall, coil them back in the envelopes and send them to Master Sheldon to check 'em out, I will order more from Sansone right after so I want Sheldon to hear and feel these for himself as I think, I have found the ultimate S/Steel set for our basses. Thanks to these strings my Fender Jazz has gained a clearer voice and a much more balanced sustain than the Ernie Balls Super Slinky, which up to now where my weapon of choice for standard non fan-fretted basses, even though I still love those EB's new Cobalt strings for the sheer power they deliver.
Next report will be after the weekend when I have tried the Sansone strings on my ABZ5.
Time to go to bed now... over and out.
I'm curious, what's the actual tension in terms of pounds per string for the Sansone's and the Payson nickels?
I am sorry pal but I don't have the tools to measure that in actual figures, I can only go by my fingers and touch and the best way I can voice it is:
Payson - bloody hard to the fingers / bloody awful to the touch
Sansone & Dingwall: niiiiiice n' smooooth.
I'm really excited about all the different string options available now. Folks have been mixing, matching and ordering custom for a while. Lord knows I've trimmed some silk.
I think having more strings specifically for fanned fret/Dingwall basses is a good thing, people like options.
I've always loved the tension, feel and quality of the DW Voodoo SS strings...twenty years will due that I guess.
I currently have on a set of the Payson ML Nickels. The tension is pretty much dead-on with the Voodoo's, the set-up on my bass did not change. I really like the strings and I'm looking forward to trying some of these other options as well.
I think having more strings specifically for fanned fret/Dingwall basses is a good thing, people like options.
I've always loved the tension, feel and quality of the DW Voodoo SS strings...twenty years will due that I guess.
I currently have on a set of the Payson ML Nickels. The tension is pretty much dead-on with the Voodoo's, the set-up on my bass did not change. I really like the strings and I'm looking forward to trying some of these other options as well.
That's exactly what I was shooting for Lowphat. Good to see a player of your caliber finding the same results on the PFNS-ML tension. Keep up the funk.
You should find the PFNS-Reduced Core sets to have similar tension to the ML's as well.
+1 I like fish-watching and Maestro Zappa's music. It had never occurred to me how well they would go together!
I don't sweat either, for rehearsals woodshedding. Stage is a different deal, especially in par lighting.
I need to order a few more sets direct and find a way to do so without it being cost prohibutive. At least the batches are fresh, which helps !
I dont want to give up the Dingwall strings. I love them. But man I am mowing through them way too quickly.
I dont want to go back to flats. Hate the feel and the tension of them. They either flop around like Rubber bands ( I shudder at the the thought of a low B flatwound), or I need a set of vice grips to fret a note.
I'd say! Have fun working with Hungarvain! I think you're onto something with the unique PH we all have affecting string life. I must be fairly neutral. I don't wipe my strings and they seem to last pretty long. Cool aquarium, BTW...
Zoomie - stay away from the brown acid!
I always hate pestering Barry. The man has more important things to do.
Second, I am not sure if it wouldnt cause confusion. I spoke with Barry to ensure that I could get baltic amber PG. I then ordered bass through Bass Central as they treated me so well with Super J5 purchase, I thought it right to purchase the SP5 through them, out of respect.
In this case, I suspect bass is shipped to them, then forwarded to me.
If bass was drop shipped, it would work, but that may be a no-no technically with Bass Central being the record holder of the bass, for lack of a better term. I'll ask Barry to give me his thoughts on the matter. He knows he can tell me to just go away and I wouldn't be offended.
We are getting close ! 2-3 weeks if everything is on schedule.
Come on Super P5 ! I needs me some (Super) P Bass thump !
I agree. I think that string selection is the only valid potential irritant that can be said about these basses. And it seems to be going away.
