• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join freeLog in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

Do you think the scale will ever tip back towards hi-fi/active basses?

I wasn’t aware anyone was keeping score. I use both in lots of different applications. When I go to see local bands I see both active and passive basses in abundance. I see both vintage styles and modern styles all the time.

Yes, P-basses are popular. They’ve always been popular and they probably always will be - with good reason. That doesn’t mean nobody’s playing other instruments. If active basses have fallen out of favor they did it without me noticing. I hope nobody tells Anthony Jackson, Nathan East, Victor Wooten, etc….
This
Honestly I think both are popular now and I don't think that will change either.

It is a big world musically. It is far bigger than it has ever been and with the advent of a pop scene in Japan, Korea etc. that is increasingly seeking international markets, things are expanding exponentially as we speak. Soon India, and other countries will start looking for their share of the international pie as well. All of this will make for more and more diverse sounds and players. Consequently more and more instrument choices will fuel this expansion. It is an exiting time in many ways.

It may well be that new and innovative trends may come from somewhere other than Western Europe or America in the future. I for one am interested in seeing what happens next.
 
Last edited:
goes both ways. really depends on the player/situation. I can't deal with active basses personally, so I play passive instruments. It's better for me to not have too many knobs to fiddle around with on my bass- less is more.
 
This thread brings to mind for me something a bit tangential that I've been pondering: I've owned, and enjoyed, plenty of "hi fi" basses over the years. But a little while back--more out of curiosity than anything else--I picked up an old Harmony H22 hollow body bass (gold foil pickup, wooden bridge, flats of course). To my amazement, it sounded fantastic and perfect for the style of music I'm playing these days. So I picked up an old Kay electric bass and a 60's Japanese hollow body and they sound great too. And, to my ears, they only remotely have the dead, thuddy sound on old recordings. They're actually quite "alive" and rich sounding. This brought me to ponder (and the point that's germane to this discussion): did the advent of "hi fi" basses occur, at least in part, as a way to try to overcome the crappy sound reinforcement (amps, PA's, multi-bounced analog recording, etc.) back in the day? Likewise, is the revival (or endurance) of "lo fi" basses due, at least in part, to far superior sound reinforcement (amps, PA's, digital recording) that can bring out their nuances?
 
Last edited:
What a ridiculous, pointless thread. My favorite kind!

I mean really, who gives a spurt?

I love classic passive P bass tones. But believe it or not, there are other great tones. And still, nobody can hear the difference in a mix. How many arguments do we see about whether a given recording is a stringray or a jazz?

I know all of you were waiting for ME to weigh in and lay some wizzdum upon y’all, so here is my opinion, which all of you should adopt as your own.

I like the guttural grunt and mid focus of a passive P, and the growl of a passive J’s bridge pickup soloed. I like how a good vintagey passive instrument can sound really fat even on the low frets of the G string, and I love an instrument where the high range is fat rather than pointy sounding.

I also love the ability to boost mids (and sweep the center frequency). I love the sound of a clean open B sustaining like an angry whale. I sometimes want to hear the subtle texture of my fingers on the string. Sometimes I even like hearing those high “air” frequencies or sub-lows.

I will admit I’m not a fan of the mid-scooped nature of SOME active circuits.

My quest has always been to find an instrument that can do all of the above, on demand. I’m getting really close.

… And nobody in any of my bands has EVER known if I play a passive or active bass, usually they probably don’t even know or care if I play 4 or 5 strings. And imho that’s how it should be.

I have spoken.
 
Last edited:
Purely anecdotal, to be taken with a scoop of salt.

Record producers want a musician to be able to do what is needed – not to micromanage musicians’ gear choices. Gear always takes a back seat to how quickly you can learn a song and find the right groove, and in many cases, how well you can improvise and create something to fit. In other words, it’s ear and technical ability. The right musician will have these qualities on any bass – outside of range considerations, of course.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: DavidEdenAria
There's that story of Sean Hurley moving to L.A. with a five-string active Lakland to become a session player just to realize it's a P-bass world out there. It wasn't always the case though. There was time when hi-fi or active basses were all the rage, like Warwicks, Ken Smiths, Alembics, Tobias, Zons, Spector etc.

Do you think the scale will ever tip back towards hi-fi/active basses? If so, how do you think it'll happen?

Fashion is never static.
 
There would have to be some big musical shift. I can't think of a genre, except modern metal, that has bright and modern bass tones. Pop, rock, R&B and even modern jazz like Yussef Dayes and Badbadnotgood, have vintage bass tones. Bass is also more prominent in mixes and as melodic as ever, so I can't complain. I have a soft spot for bright, focused, funky tones (Mick Karn and John Taylor really inspired as I started), so I hope those sounds come back, but great bass is great bass.
 
Not session-based data, so there's my caveat, but in my local world of cover bands and jam sessions, I see a variety. Lots of passive Ps and Js, of course, but also Stingrays (both EBMM and, more commonly, Sterling by MM), G&L, Warwick, Ibanez, the occasional Modulus (including mine!), a random short scale, and the odd 'expensive boutique' bass sighting.
 
I have a soft spot for bright, focused, funky tones (Mick Karn and John Taylor really inspired as I started), so I hope those sounds come back, but great bass is great bass.
I was just pondering this---so much modern pop(the kind that stems from RnB) is sooo heavily 80's influenced these days. It's mostly synth bass on that kinda stuff, but bass guitar in that music is often "cast" in the production to evoke an era--for example you'll hear slap used in a retro, heck, sometimes ironic way. Maybe we'll start hearing more of those decidedly active bass sounds that were popular (and new-ish at the time) in the 80's make a comeback in pop. I certainly remember giving up my Ric and my P in the mid 80's for whatever active thingy I could get my mitts on to get that "modern" sound everyone wanted then.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 6-3-2
There's that story of Sean Hurley moving to L.A. with a five-string active Lakland to become a session player just to realize it's a P-bass world out there. It wasn't always the case though. There was time when hi-fi or active basses were all the rage, like Warwicks, Ken Smiths, Alembics, Tobias, Zons, Spector etc.

Do you think the scale will ever tip back towards hi-fi/active basses? If so, how do you think it'll happen?

Sounds like a false premise to me. I see lots and lots of hi-fi active basses, with more hitting the market every year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BlueTalon
There's that story of Sean Hurley moving to L.A. with a five-string active Lakland to become a session player just to realize it's a P-bass world out there. It wasn't always the case though. There was time when hi-fi or active basses were all the rage, like Warwicks, Ken Smiths, Alembics, Tobias, Zons, Spector etc.

Do you think the scale will ever tip back towards hi-fi/active basses? If so, how do you think it'll happen?

I lived through those days that I think you are referring too. The basses you mentioned were advertised in magazines. They may have been played by (or advertised by) your favorite players, and perhaps appeared on your favorite records. They may have been popular in terms of what some people wanted, some aspired to and were accessible to some people with money, but ALL of those where very expensive in those days, relative to "unhi-fi or unactive basses".

I knew lots of bassists then, when I was in the phase of trying to become one, and also being other than a bassist, looking at bassists for musical connection. What I can tell you is I knew NOT ONE person who had any model of any of the 6 brands you mentioned, and for every one of us, such things were aspirational, and often to the point of easily-acknowledged "unobtainium". So I don't know what the "rage" is, in reality. I never experienced that. I think of "all the rage" is about something becoming very popular, and at least periodically verging on the common. There was nothing about any of those basses back in those days that ever suggested to me they were the "rage", even if they were highly desirable by some. I don't think some of the companies mentioned would ever have produced a lot of models in those days, and many were simply unequipped to do so as small and often one-man luthier outfits. I recall conversations wth a few most of those most directly responsible for those brands you reference, tending to be in the "quality over quantity" camp, and they wanted sustainable business to preserve their quality product with its exactly process, and NOT become the next big "it" thing or "the rage" or go high-volume.

But back to the musician side of things- most of us "made due" with the early active Fenders, and early Ibanez models such as the Musician MC924, and early Soundgear line, and of course the long-standing Stingrays of 4 and 5 string variety that were a financial stretch for many of us.

Active basses have been with us a long time. Passive basses fairly longer. There are ebbs and flows of styles, sounds, popularity, but in the bass world, I don't think wild swings of pendulum in these matters.
 
My point was that Sean Hurley is playing sessions in an environment where the people paying him are asking for a certain thing explicitly. In my experience, and I think in his, it’s a better move to play the bass they say they want than to convince them you can get the tone they asked you for from something else.
The tone of a P-bass is an indisputable landmark mainly generated by the pickup type and placement.
You can use better and more expensive woods but you will almost get the same tone.
So why one should bother looking for the same tone when the landmark is there, readily available and even not very expensive?
You wanna “that” tone? Get a P-bass (in fact, ask Mr. Hurley ..).
You want to tap on the fretboard? Get a Ritter although it seems I forgot what the tappers’ music market slice is ehm … uhm .. it can’t be that large anyway so it’s quite unlikely that Ritter-like basses will become more popular than FSO or other classic instruments (why a Rickenbacker popped into my mind now?).
 
  • Like
Reactions: pbass2
"Hi-Fi" makes no sense to me in this context. "Hi-Fi" stands for high fidelity, that is, the reproduction is true to the original. As in, how faithful is the sound produced by this turntable/DAC, amp, and speakers to the original recording? I don't understand how a modern active bass can be any more or less "hi-fi" than a 1967 P bass. It's a reasonable question for something that reproduces the sound of something else (e.g., stereo speakers) but how does this apply for an instrument that makes the sound in the first place? Is a Stradivarius more "hi-fi" than a Yamaha? How does that even make sense?
 
  • Like
Reactions: HP Hovercraft
To be perfectly honest? I don't have an answer for you - mainly because I really don't care, one way or the other. I have the basses that I think work the best for what I play. Yes, they're all 4 string basses, and they're all passive. And, yes, one of them is an older P-Bass; a lefty'78, with the Jazz Bass-sized "A" neck that was an option back then. I do have a whole bunch of basses, but that's another story... I also have a couple "Hi-Fi" (as in "Active") basses; I do use them, but for things I don't usually play very often. Do I like them? Yes - or I wouldn't own them. But, they aren't the basses that live on stands, next to the amp in my living room. And, if I were still in a gigging band? I probably wouldn't use them on stage, either; because I wouldn't be in a band that needed them. But, that old P-Bass would be getting one Hell of a workout...
In a studio setting? Well, I'm a pretty mercenary kind of guy; if you're foolish enough to want me in your studio? I'll play whichever Bass you want me to - if I own it. Not a lot of lefty basses hanging on studio walls, though...
But, like I said; I don't have an answer to the question, because I really don't care what kind of a bass you - or anybody else - plays. If you're happy with it? Then I'm happy - for you...:cool:
 
Last edited:

Latest posts