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Does playing an instrument make you a musician?

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blah blah blah.

I play music (subjective arguments about whether it is "good" or not aside) and so I am a musician.

I ski, and so I am a skier.

I fathered a child, and so I am a father.

I no longer am interested in this argument, and so I am leaving.

Nice day, gents.
 
Does playing an instrument make you a musician?
No, it does not. It makes you an instrumentalist.

By definition, as it has already been stated, a musician is a person who composes or conducts music as a profession.

Can you be mediocre, half-hearted and less than dedicated and still be a musician? Sure.

But simply put, the act of playing an instrument alone, whether you do it well or not, does not make you a musician per se.
 
No, it does not. It makes you an instrumentalist.

By definition, as it has already been stated, a musician is a person who composes or conducts music as a profession.

Can you be mediocre, half-hearted and less than dedicated and still be a musician? Sure.

But simply put, the act of playing an instrument alone, whether you do it well or not, does not make you a musician per se.

No, as ALREADY BEEN STATED, you can find multiple definitions -

Merriam-Webster - ' composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist'

As you can see, it doesn't use the word "professional" and "instrumentalist" is a SYNONYM. Know what that means?

"one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses"

where does the M-W definition say that you have to be a professional?

But let's say that your definition is true. No problem.

"professional: engaged in by persons receiving financial return."

EG, "professional" means you "get paid" - nothing more. It doesn't mean you are wealthy, it doesn't mean you ONLY make your income from the field - it just means "not an amateur."

So if you get paid $5 once a year, you are a "professional musician" by definition.

Being a professional musician does not suggest SKILL nor a MINIMUM LEVEL of income. It just means "I get paid".

so basically your definition goes nowhere.


again, I'm so amazed by the snobbery here. Fortunately, it's not backed up by fact.


I'm a musician and you can't tell me otherwise. I don't do it as a full-time job and it's not my main source of income by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm a musician and I do get paid. Period.
 
The question was, "Does playing an instrument make you a musician?"

The answer is "no".

If you are upset by my half-assed attempt to add some clarity to my brief answer, I am sorry.

But be offended by my perceived snobbery or not, a person who plays kazoo and gets a paycheck can be called as a musician.

You don't choose to embrace that definition and that is your choice. However, to use your logic, where in any of the dozens of definitions to you find a skill level requirement?

And where do I go to pass my "musician's" test? Is there something similar to the DMV that issues "musician's" certificates? Do you have to be in possession of one of these documents to meet your personal definition of the word "musician"?

A person can be rather unskilled and low paid and still be a musician. Sorry if that offends you. I don't identify with that particular definition, but if someone out there wants to stretch a balloon across their bunghole, play for whomever would actually lay down dough to see such a sight, and call themselves a musician, who the hell am I to say otherwise?

I think the snobbery is coming from the kettle - or the pot... not sure which, but they're both black. And don't start calling me racist now.

I've been playing music since age 10. Piano, violin, trombone, upright bass, electric bass, mandolin and more. I was asked by a close friend a few years ago if I considered myself a musician. The key phrase is "considered myself". I told him at that time that I did not consider myself a musician despite my pedigree. Even though I had many years of schooling, performed with many bands AND gotten paid, I did not personally identify with the description "musician".

Why? Because I was not actively pursuing furthering my knowledge and understanding of music. I was just getting by on what I learned oh so many years ago - and I did not want to insult those who I considered "real" musicians - ones who, every day of their lives got out of bed and nurtured their musical knowledge through study and performance - those who ate, slept and breathed music - I was not one of them - I knew many - and they were who I considered (there's that phrase again) to be real musicians.

But just because I didn't choose to embrace the definition as it related to my own position in the world of music did not mean I was NOT a musician, right? By many definitions - ones that include getting paid - ones that do not include getting paid, I still met the criteria. Technically I could have easily answered, "yes" to my friend's question. I chose to amend the actual definition to meet my personal interpretation.

Which, my friend, is what you are doing.

And I don't think anyone here is saying you are not a musician.

It strikes me as funny how you rant and rave, then conclude your comment with:
I'm a musician and you can't tell me otherwise. I don't do it as a full-time job and it's not my main source of income by any stretch of the imagination. But I'm a musician and I do get paid. Period.

Seems after all that, the only sticking point you actually had was whether or not you did it "full-time".
 
no, merely pointing out the absurdity of your argument. As I pointed out, the dictionary doesn't say you have to be a professional to be a musician. I was taking YOUR argument inserting this word and of course demolishing that argument too - being a professional in and of itself doesn't make you a musician -- it just means you get 'paid.'

ERGO (follow me here, if you can), one can be a professional if one merely gets paid one time -- doesn't mean you have to have it as a full-time job.

None of which matters - the definition of "musician" doesn't indicate that you are a professional. Got it yet?

I couldn't care less if you think only people like you are musicians. You are free to think as you wish. No one is stopping you. Free country, free message board.

It's just stupid, that's all. Moronic, narrow-minded and self-serving, certainly. Inclusive or correct? Of course not.

Noticed how you ignored basic Dictionary definitions. I figured you'd ignore facts -- that would only hurt your position.

I'm a musician, DESPITE your definitions. If I did it as a full-time job would not make me MORE of a musician. Pay has nothing to do with it.
 
i dont think u have to get paid to be a musician..thats ridiculous....i'm a musician..and you cant change my mind....so yeah.....

i suppose you dont have to be skilled...but yeah....i think you have to be passionate...
and expressful..thats wut music is all about...expressiong yourself

:bassist:
 
There are a lot of interesting perspectives here. Very cool.

Before reading the posts, I never even considered getting paid to be one of the criteria for musicianship.

I have to say, it made me think. I'm not sure if I entirely agree with the getting paid component, but it did make me think a little more deeply.

Joe
 
I've played for many years
Studied a lot
Know a bunch of theory - two collegiate years worth (+ still learning)
used to make a living at it
wrote and recorded a bunch of songs
been well off and starved

but consider myself a PLAYER. "Musician" sounds so friggin' formal
 
I just saw a show on the history channel about "the history of the joke". A professional comedian said a "comic" is someone who can get on stage, follow his/her routine and tell jokes, while a "comedian" is someone who can get on stage, tell jokes, while reacting to the timing of the room, and whatever happens they will respond to it and play off that. (i.e. like if a fight breaks out in the audience)

I see a parallel.
 
I just saw a show on the history channel about "the history of the joke". A professional comedian said a "comic" is someone who can get on stage, follow his/her routine and tell jokes, while a "comedian" is someone who can get on stage, tell jokes, while reacting to the timing of the room, and whatever happens they will respond to it and play off that. (i.e. like if a fight breaks out in the audience)

I see a parallel.

Yeah, I can dig it.
 
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