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Does playing an instrument make you a musician?

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But which dictionary, 69nites? Ay, there's the rub!

Merriam-Webster Unabridged says "one skilled in music; especially[emphasis theirs]: a composer, conductor, or professional performer of music," but Dictionary.com says "a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music." Merriam-Webster would seems to say that one need only be skilled in music, but Dictionary.com says music as a profession = musician first.

And what about songwriters who don't play instruments, but make their living from music? Aren't they musicians? I guess you could call them composers, but MW says that a composer is *especially* a musician, lol.
 
But which dictionary, 69nites? Ay, there's the rub!

Merriam-Webster Unabridged says "one skilled in music; especially[emphasis theirs]: a composer, conductor, or professional performer of music," but Dictionary.com says "a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music." Merriam-Webster would seems to say that one need only be skilled in music, but Dictionary.com says music as a profession = musician first.

And what about songwriters who don't play instruments, but make their living from music? Aren't they musicians? I guess you could call them composers, but MW says that a composer is *especially* a musician, lol.
...Yeah, I think it's safe to say we can throw those various definitions out the window and just accept this is another one of those things that depends on the point of view it's coming from.
 
(Also, not to be put you on the spot, but if you want to use that language, according to TB rules, you have to cover it completely, such as $@#&%#@, or you risk getting your account suspended :hiding:)

Looks like your grammar :hmm:ain't:hmm: too perfect either. Also, it's a good thing these poor innocent TBers can't see what is printed on your shirt in your avatar. If I'm not mistaken, I have the same tshirt which happens to say "Ani F*cking DiFranco". Oops I mean Ani #$#$@%^ DiFranco. Good taste in shirts though....

...not to be put you on the spot.:rolleyes:
 
Looks like your grammar :hmm:ain't:hmm: too perfect either. Also, it's a good thing these poor innocent TBers can't see what is printed on your shirt in your avatar. If I'm not mistaken, I have the same tshirt which happens to say "Ani F*cking DiFranco". Oops I mean Ani #$#$@%^ DiFranco. Good taste in shirts though....

...not to be put you on the spot.:rolleyes:

I'm just messin with ya, dude :) And yeah, I love that shirt, although I my profile pic (which is large) is a different pic for that exact reason, haha. That picture was taken on the same stage where I first saw Ani DiFranco live... that concert changed my life. When I played that same venue two years later, I wore the shirt I bought at her show, so I could stand where she was standing and get a picture of me wearing it there :D
 
Sam, I think that is very much improved. The only thing I don't like is the performer part, because there are plenty of professional musicians (or who I would call musicians) who do not perform. However, they make their entire incomes -- sometimes, very good incomes -- entirely from writing, playing, and/or recording music. Session players would not be considered musicians under this definition, and those guys definitely play with heart, soul, and are dedicated to their instruments, have excellent technique, can play in all styles proficiently, etc.
 
Sam, I think that is very much improved. The only thing I don't like is the performer part, because there are plenty of professional musicians (or who I would call musicians) who do not perform. However, they make their entire incomes -- sometimes, very good incomes -- entirely from writing, playing, and/or recording music. Session players would not be considered musicians under this definition.

ok how about this...

A musical artist of any kind that is dedicated and puts their heart, mind, soul and spirit into their instrument , whom aspires to learn technique and music styling


yeah....thats good......:bassist: :p :D
 
I'm just messin with ya, dude :) And yeah, I love that shirt, although I my profile pic (which is large) is a different pic for that exact reason, haha. That picture was taken on the same stage where I first saw Ani DiFranco live... that concert changed my life. When I played that same venue two years later, I wore the shirt I bought at her show, so I could stand where she was standing and get a picture of me wearing it there :D


Cool, glad you can take sarcasm...:bassist:
 
This is my opinion on the OP.

I believe that playing an instrument is something you learn. Being a musician is something you're born with. Anyone can pick up a guitar or bass or sit at a piano and with some instruction and time they can learn that instrument pretty well. Not everyone can sit at a piano at age 3 and start playing cartoon theme songs that he or she watches every morning.

A trained instrumentalist can read music and play everything note for note but once they're put on the spot with nothing to read or go by they're pretty much stuck. A musician who's born with the gift of music will pick up any instrument and get some kind of tune out of it and if they stick with it can master that instrument or instruments and take those instruments to levels they were never designed to go, thus pushing the envelope and reshaping the future of that instrument. They can be put in situations to where they don't know the song or the music but can play with anybody and any style, depending on their time with their instrument.

I've played with both instrumentalists and musicians and it's a lot easier to play with a musician. Just my opinion.
 
This is my opinion on the OP.

I believe that playing an instrument is something you learn. Being a musician is something you're born with. Anyone can pick up a guitar or bass or sit at a piano and with some instruction and time they can learn that instrument pretty well. Not everyone can sit at a piano at age 3 and start playing cartoon theme songs that he or she watches every morning.

A trained instrumentalist can read music and play everything note for note but once they're put on the spot with nothing to read or go by they're pretty much stuck. A musician who's born with the gift of music will pick up any instrument and get some kind of tune out of it and if they stick with it can master that instrument or instruments and take those instruments to levels they were never designed to go, thus pushing the envelope and reshaping the future of that instrument. They can be put in situations to where they don't know the song or the music but can play with anybody and any style, depending on their time with their instrument.

I've played with both instrumentalists and musicians and it's a lot easier to play with a musician. Just my opinion.
A new perspective... I can dig it.
 
Christ almighty, you f*ckers will argue about anything...

From dictionary.com:

mu·si·cian [myoo-zish-uhn] Pronunciation Key
–noun
1. a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music.
2. any person, whether professional or not, skilled in music.

Hopefully I haven't said anything here that will make other members of this board threaten me with account suspension...:rolleyes:

I'm a musician.

AnD pErfeCt my gramMe® iz :spit:

Well gosh diddly dinged dangit if I's aint a musician after all's acourdin to number's 2# on that theirs defintion....YEE HAWWW finally! I did a bit of RedNeck spellins for ya too :D
 
This is my opinion on the OP.

I believe that playing an instrument is something you learn. Being a musician is something you're born with. Anyone can pick up a guitar or bass or sit at a piano and with some instruction and time they can learn that instrument pretty well. Not everyone can sit at a piano at age 3 and start playing cartoon theme songs that he or she watches every morning.

A trained instrumentalist can read music and play everything note for note but once they're put on the spot with nothing to read or go by they're pretty much stuck. A musician who's born with the gift of music will pick up any instrument and get some kind of tune out of it and if they stick with it can master that instrument or instruments and take those instruments to levels they were never designed to go, thus pushing the envelope and reshaping the future of that instrument. They can be put in situations to where they don't know the song or the music but can play with anybody and any style, depending on their time with their instrument.

I've played with both instrumentalists and musicians and it's a lot easier to play with a musician. Just my opinion.

thats exactly wut i think!!
i've been dealin with music since i was knee high...but i discovered the magic of instruments in 5th grade...thats when we're aloud 2 start at school...and all new doors opened.....it was great. Been a musician ever since.

I can talk about theory, scales, classical music, keys, bowing, the whole 9 yards. I was classicly trained. I enjoy that kind of stuff...its fun...but thats only half of it. THe other half is just the love for it. Practicing for hours on end, buildin up calluses. Eurning for more music, thinking, eating, breathing music. Expressing yourself in a way that not many people can. THat's wut i think music is about.
I luv music more then eating and sleeping. i LIVE in music day in and day out. without, i would prolly die.

can u immagine a world without music? i cant. i here music everywhere i go. going over fingerings and notes in my head. playing it over and over in my mind. practicing on my arm when im in class. Slapping my desk when i cant think of something to say.

If you ask me, music is the best thing in the world, and nothing could ever top it.

I'm a musician....i may not get paid, and i'm ok with that. I'd rather not b paid at all, if that meant i could still play.

:bassist::bassist:

Rock On
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If you're going to use the word artist, in order to have a really great definition, we should really examine that word, too. Is an artist someone who creates something original art? Because a session player, even if he's playing with heart & soul & spirit & technique etc, might be reading music someone else wrote, and would not be a musician under that definition of "artist."

I think we can look at this a different way and make progress faster, lol. Let's look at where the word "musician" comes from in the first place. The root word there is music, of course, which comes from the Latin word musica, which came from the earlier Greek word mousike, which comes from the even earlier Greek word, mousikos. Mousikos comes from compounding the suffix "ikos" (same as English -ic) to the root, proper noun Mousa (feminine form), translated to modern English as "muse." In other words, "music" originally meant art that was inspired by the Muses. In ancient Greece, people believed that the gods included 9 Muses, each in charge of a different type of performing art, and that these muses used humans as "mouths" for their creative expression ("muse" and "mouth" come from the same root word in ancient Greek, too).

Music is one of the nine types of performing arts the Muses brought to existence through humans; the others include epic poetry like Homer's The Iliad and The Odyssey, the telling of history (back then, history was more about teaching lessons than about a strict time-line of events, and so was much more artistic - the details were not the important part and varied from story-teller to story-teller, so long as the lessons were there), etc. Music as we think of it today was actually brought about by several muses, depending on what kind of music it was. (You can tell how important something is to a society, in a linguistic anthropology sense, by how many words they have in their lexicon to talk about something... just like all this discussion today about the definition of music!) The Greeks had a muse for sacred songs, another for song & dance (musicals), and another for music & lyric poetry (the way we think of "lyrics" today, even though technically, most contemporary songs don't use the "lyric" poetry form at all).

The Greeks believed that anyone, at any time, could be used as an instrument of the Muses, although some people were better "conduits" than others, but it all came from the gods, anyway. There wasn't any argument over who was a musician and who wasn't -- remember, this was also before recording technology existed, so music was not everywhere the way it is today. You couldn't go into a grocery store or a restaurant and hear music in the background; you couldn't flip on the radio while you were in your car, or listen to your iPod while you're walking across campus. If you wanted to hear music, you had to sing or play it yourself, or go see someone sing or play it live. Pretty much everyone sang and considered themselves as having the ability to sing, just like all children today learn songs like "The Itsy Bitsy Spider," etc, and don't think there is anything special about it - *everyone* was a "musician" back then; it was just accepted as music's place in society.

What I'm saying is, what "musician" means depends completely on context. It depends who you ask. In the United States in 2008, "musician," in my personal opinion, means someone who earns a living making music in some way - it's a job title. In ancient Greece, a "musician" was someone who happened to be inspired by the muses of music right then, lol. It depends on who you ask.

Art, though, as in creating something new and original from your own creative impulses, was not an accepted concept in ancient Greece. Anything creative was the gods speaking through you. So the question we must ask if we want to get to the bottom of this is, what do we want to consider "a musical artist"? It is someone trained in some instrument, or in music theory? Does it have to be original and creative and new? I don't think anyone would argue that professional concert pianists like Vladimir Horowitz are/were not musicians, even though Horowitz never wrote any music of his own (to my knowledge), and his technique, heart, soul etc were extraordinary.

This is an interesting topic. I'm curious to see where this leads!
 
technically...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/musician said:
musician

Pronunciation: \myü-ˈzi-shən\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

Someone who paints in his spare time is most certainly a 'painter' (many [most?] of the legendary painters never made a profit).
Everyone I know who fishes for fun identifies themselves as a 'fishermen'.
Why isn't someone who plays music a musician? It's not like it's a title, it's a descriptive noun. What is exactly is wrong with the above definition?

It sounds to me like you are trying to make it out like the word means more than it does and then restrict who gets the honor of using it...
 
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