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Down the rabbit hole again - Project 4350

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to say that this here is, by quite a stretch, the most entertaining bass build thread ever created.
Most definitely in the history of TB, and very likely in the history of the internet.

No offense to all the talented (and sometimes fast working) builders here that have good threads running. Keep up the good work and I enjoy looking at the pictures of a pile of wood becoming a bass -- but none of you have, to my knowledge, handed out stripper names to your regulars.
 
Oddly enough, I'm a much more organized cook than I am a builder. Not sure why. Doesn't matter, my wife stole all my good recipes and now she makes them, like she's cool or something. Whatever.
Point is, when I did cook, I ran the kitchen like a cross between a hospital and a navy ship. My wife, not so much. It looks like a bomb went off in the kitchen. I try not to watch or get involved. At least it's good when it's done.
Point is, I can appreciate an organized and well run kitchen.
She's not allowed near my bass building stuff though. That's all I have left and I'll burn all my drawings and notes the minute I see a glint of interest.
 
Oddly enough, I'm a much more organized cook than I am a builder. Not sure why. Doesn't matter, my wife stole all my good recipes and now she makes them, like she's cool or something. Whatever.
Point is, when I did cook, I ran the kitchen like a cross between a hospital and a navy ship. My wife, not so much. It looks like a bomb went off in the kitchen. I try not to watch or get involved. At least it's good when it's done.
Point is, I can appreciate an organized and well run kitchen.
She's not allowed near my bass building stuff though. That's all I have left and I'll burn all my drawings and notes the minute I see a glint of interest.


That’s funny. My wife is the same. I call her grilled cheese “hand-to-hand grilled cheese” because, well… you have to see how see cooks. That and she argued with me when I was trying to show her how to make meatloaf and had to call her mom to see if that’s actually how you make it and now it’s her “specialty Italian meatloaf” as though she came up with it.


@ChickWithaRic See, I told you we’d keep the off topic drivel going. :laugh:
 
Take care of the family first. Wipe the paella off the bench when there’s time and work on the bass. We’ll be here cluttering up the thread with off topic rambling until you get back. ;)

Signed, Candy Freudenschaft :laugh:

FWIW, I'm not familiar with stripper names, but being a native German speaker, I had really fun with your own sweet interpretation/variation of your freshly given name! :roflmao: From "friendship" to "making pleasures".:laugh:
Not sorry for raising the off-topic level.
 
FWIW, I'm not familiar with stripper names, but being a native German speaker, I had really fun with your own sweet interpretation/variation of your freshly given name! :roflmao: From "friendship" to "making pleasures".:laugh:
Not sorry for raising the off-topic level.
I probably shouldn't do this at this stage and find out that I'm way off,...
But, how would you say "Lion bass", if you were to say it in German?
 
I probably shouldn't do this at this stage and find out that I'm way off,...
But, how would you say "Lion bass", if you were to say it in German?

Don't you already have your own thread with that name? ;)
"Löwenbass" would be correct German spelling. We do like to concat substantives.
But using another umlaut makes it similar to "Löwenbräu" (beer) , if that was your intent...
 
Don't you already have your own thread with that name? ;)
"Löwenbass" would be correct German spelling. We do like to concat substantives.
But using another umlaut makes it similar to "Löwenbräu" (beer) , if that was your intent...
It was a guess, as I couldn't find any way to verify it.
And you nailed it. I was being a goof with the 2nd umlaut.
Cool, I got it right. I feel like I won something.
 
FWIW, I'm not familiar with stripper names, but being a native German speaker, I had really fun with your own sweet interpretation/variation of your freshly given name! :roflmao: From "friendship" to "making pleasures".:laugh:
Not sorry for raising the off-topic level.

Another direct translation of 'Freudenschaft' would be "pleasure shaft"
 
FWIW, I'm not familiar with stripper names, but being a native German speaker, I had really fun with your own sweet interpretation/variation of your freshly given name! :roflmao: From "friendship" to "making pleasures".:laugh:
Not sorry for raising the off-topic level.


That may have been autocorrect on my phone but I’m happy to help!
 
Never been much of a drinker. Very rarely do I get a hankerin for a beer and the only 2 that I like are corona and Sam Adams summer ale. I'll take a regular sam Adams too. As far as I can tell, they are very different, so not sure why it's those 2. I guess taste is a matter of taste. Bitter beers are nauseating. Never understood the people that say it's an "acquired taste".
So, you force yourself to drink something that tastes like chewing Tylenol until you're used to it, to be cool like your friends? What's the deal with that? Maybe different palates and it's not bitter to some? I just find it hard to believe it's not bitter to most people and they force it on themselves.
Sweet fruit in beer is just as bad. Sorry, it doesn't work. I was served a "cherry wheat" beer once with a maraschino cherry in it. Disgusting.
That's along the lines of putting mustard on your fruit loops, or grape jelly on a steak.
It's amazing what people talk themselves into liking, so they can fit in with their club friends, or take cool "look at me" pics for FB. Or whatever it is the kids use these days.
Shove your fruit and get off my lawn.
 
As previously threatened, progress pictures, and the new members of the Real Timber Company fleet.
Members, plural, because we are rocking not one but two new cordless routers for your delight and consideration.

Also, because it's obviously treat day, some nice new Yonico cutters courtesy of the very cool folks at PrecisionBits.com.

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As you can see I've already put a few miles on the big Hikoki. Hitachi. Metabo HPT. Oh just... it's Hitachi. I've installed the Yonico 1/2" top AND bottom bearing guided cutter. It has 2" of usable cutting depth. I think this would be ideal on a router table, or for lazy people like me who are fitting kitchens and need to switch between a top guided template cutter for peninsular corners, and a bottom guided cutter for laminate trimming 10 times a day.

There's also a no.20 biscuit cutter, which is for another episode, and a set of 4 round over cutters in sizes from 1/8" to 1/2" radius.

Hitachi claim their 36v router has more power than their corded M12VE. I think they are right. It's also usefully lighter and very well balanced. If you're in the market for something of this quality, it's worth looking at. It whizzed through the body wings in one pass. No stalling, constant smooth speed, just a dream to operate. The Yonico cutter is great too, as you would expect from Yonico.

After a quick bit of edge sanding, I installed the 1/4" radius roundover cutter in new router no. 2.

Now this one is a cheapie, but a goodie. It's Katsu's not-really-a-copy of the Makita trimmer. And it really isn't a copy, there are significant differences, but Makita accessories and batteries fit it. That makes it worth the $99 that Mr Bezos requires of you in exchange.

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I used a Makita micro adjust fence on the Hitachi to cut the truss rod groove. Hitachi do supply a very sturdy and well made fence but I really like the Makita fence, which fits the Hitachi base perfectly.

Now I just need to plane up the mating surfaces of the wings, cut for the biscuit joints, and glue up.

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Or, maybe not, because I'm starting to think it looks a little unbalanced in a 34" scale. I might chop the neck billet up and make it 32". I've always thought the full scale 350 looked a little odd next to the shortie 325, so I'm not really surprised, and it's been a while since I had a 32. Yeah, I might do that.
 
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Never been much of a drinker. Very rarely do I get a hankerin for a beer and the only 2 that I like are corona and Sam Adams summer ale. I'll take a regular sam Adams too. As far as I can tell, they are very different, so not sure why it's those 2. I guess taste is a matter of taste. Bitter beers are nauseating. Never understood the people that say it's an "acquired taste".
So, you force yourself to drink something that tastes like chewing Tylenol until you're used to it, to be cool like your friends? What's the deal with that? Maybe different palates and it's not bitter to some? I just find it hard to believe it's not bitter to most people and they force it on themselves.
Sweet fruit in beer is just as bad. Sorry, it doesn't work. I was served a "cherry wheat" beer once with a maraschino cherry in it. Disgusting.
That's along the lines of putting mustard on your fruit loops, or grape jelly on a steak.
It's amazing what people talk themselves into liking, so they can fit in with their club friends, or take cool "look at me" pics for FB. Or whatever it is the kids use these days.
Shove your fruit and get off my lawn.
Hoegaarden is a good white beer. At least, I like it. Leffe is another good one but any more than one of those and I'm gonna be found the next morning topless in a ditch with a lampshade on my head. It's made by monks. MONKS. They can't be trusted.

I did find that I like Hereforshire cider in the UK, but again, you know, that lampshade thing.
 
Now, for the technical enthusiasts and especially for @ctmullins who wants a new router, it's tool time. Up close and personal with big plunging tools. The double entendres just write themselves. Seriously this is the best job I ever had.

Hitachi first, because it's big and it's green and I just love Hitachi stuff. It's super reliable, and 100% pro quality. I still use the C9U 9" circular saw my dad bought in 1998. In all that time, it's just had one new set of carbon brushes two years ago, and a new cord. Obviously an entire container load of blades in its 24 years of service but, you get what I mean. Battleship build quality.

There's nothing fancy on the M3612DA, it's just that everything is very well done. Around the operator's side you have the industry standard rotating depth stop turret and rod system to set plunge depth, and an electronic constant speed control. Brushless motors lend themselves especially well to genuine constant speed control. They are, basically, programmable AC servos. So, soft start, fast motor braking, and speed control, is all done through firmware.

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Another great thing with brushless motors is that they have very little rotational mass. Startup and switch off kickback basically doesn't exist on this machine. The low mass of the motor also translates into a very light weight, well balanced and controllable machine. It's a joy to use.

Around the unfriendly side there's the plunge lock, which looks weird and V shaped but is actually very ergonomic in use, and you can adjust the angle to suit your preference. You also have the spindle lock for easy cutter changes. The switch is a dual system, very similar to the deadman's switch on the big Makitas, but this one can be locked. That's a bonus on long cuts, and helps promote a relaxed but secure grip.

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It has worklights! It has two worklights! Count them! Two!

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And it will take a Makita fence. There is a perfectly adequate fence in the box, but I just like the Makita one.

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You just have to use the Hitachi rods in the inner pair of reception holes. Rod Receiver. That's a stripper name, who wants it?

You also get a dust extraction spout which works well with my Hitachi 36v Bluetooth extractor, but in their infinite wisdom Hitachi aren't selling their 36v Bluetooth batteries in the USA, which kind of makes no sense. You can buy the extractor, but not the batteries that pair with it to tell it to switch on automatically. Stupid. Another minor annoyance is that collet wrench you need is 23mm, rather than the 24mm that the entire rest of the world uses, so you're stuck with the supplied (perfectly adequate but very uncomfortable) pressed hardened steel wrench. You do also get a 1/4" collet already installed in its own nut, which is the correct way of supplying it (Makita take note) and a 16mm guide bush. I would have liked a 30mm guide bush in with the rather high price, but as I am a Trend UniBase aficionado, it's kind of immaterial for me. It will be annoying for others when they find out Hitachi wants $20 for the commonly used 30mm bush.

I do have a UniBase on order, I'll fit it when it arrives. No more bush problems. Stripper name!

The full rig is kind of expensive, but I think it's worth it.

The cheapie router is the Katsu, which everybody says is a 1:1 clone of the Makita made in the same factory blah blah blah. It's not. It's very similar, it will accept Makita batteries and accessory bases and fences, but it is not a straight up copy. Not even close. That's not to say it's a bad machine. It's actually a very good machine and I'll be buying another so I can leave one set up permanently for hinge mortises, and the other as a freelancer.

For 99 US dollars, (stripper name, US Dollhairs) you get the machine itself, a perfectly adequate pressed steel fence, a dust extractor spout, a 4.0ah battery, and a charger. You also get the roller bearing trimming guide which people don't often use, and I don't know why because it's an excellent little gadget. I reckon you could easily use it for edge binding rebates, but I've not tested that yet. Edge Binding. Specialist name. Too dark? Yeah ok. Forget it.

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The included base is the classic Makita style rack and pinion adjustable round sole item. It's my favorite style of base on this class of router. It will accept the Makita plunge base, which I have, the offset base, which I also have, and the tilting base, of which I have a couple. These are super useful.

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I have one that I keep at 3 degrees all the time thanks to a nifty bit of Mig welding, with a home made hardwood edge guide on the base that I use with a long straight cutter to put a perfect leading edge on the slamming side of a door.

It also has a work light! But this time only one, and it's not as super bright as it could be. That's probably a simple enough DIY upgrade if you feel so inclined. I find it adequate for my needs.

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So there you have it.

Two very different machines, both of which I think represent something of a bargain. Obviously, the Katsu qualifies on price alone, $99 is a router for people who can't even afford a router, but also because I've found it will easily stand up to pro use, will give pro results, and is just very nice and comfortable to use and to adjust. It's ready to go right out of the box, battery, charger, everything. The fact that it will accept Makita batteries and gadgets only increases its best buy status.

The Hitachi is expensive, but it's still a bargain, because it has a combination of power, controllability, light weight and cordless convenience that simply can't currently be had for less money. If something does a job that can't be done for less money, it's the cheapest thing there is, which makes it a bargain. Logic.

They are both worthy of serious consideration if you're in the market for a new toy.
 
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