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Double Bass DPA 4099 vs AMT SP25B

#221
Any idea of internet retailers in the US (or distributors/retailers in the SF Bay Area) where I could potentially acquire the DPA 4099 with the DAD 6001? I cannot seem to find an option that specifies the DAD 6001. I sent an e-mail to Mike at DPA with no reply after two days.

Although I am very early in my playing career on DB, I am in a position at the moment to try a few sound reinforcement experiments, and the discussion regarding this mic intrigues me.

I also have a Headway EDB-1 on it's way (spoke with Gordon and I routed my purchase through Jordan Instruments in Concord CA, the electric string instrument builder). I would like to try the mic blended (or not) with my Realist on my Hungarian carved bass. As well as on my Kay C1 as soon as I get some guts on it.
 
#222
drew_bassmore said:
Any idea of internet retailers in the US (or distributors/retailers in the SF Bay Area) where I could potentially acquire the DPA 4099 with the DAD 6001? I cannot seem to find an option that specifies the DAD 6001. I sent an e-mail to Mike at DPA with no reply after two days.

Although I am very early in my playing career on DB, I am in a position at the moment to try a few sound reinforcement experiments, and the discussion regarding this mic intrigues me.

I also have a Headway EB-1 on it's way (spoke with Gordon and I routed my purchase through Jordan Instruments in Concord CA, the electric string instrument builder). I would like to try the mic blended (or not) with my Realist on my Hungarian carved bass. As well as on my Kay C1 as soon as I get some guts on it.
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Drew

I've just got mine. It seems that the mic comes standard with the low cut filter. I had a word with the UK distributors who confirmed that they recommend the low cut to get over the proximity effect. The graph seems to support this - when the mic is 4" or less the frquency response curve is flat. They did imply that they would do a swap with the DAD6001 if I was not happy but it seems you have to buy the mic with the low cut first.

Also I would recommend that you buy the guitar version because the mount is the same as the violin but with a wider jaw -- it pulls down to the same dimension as the violin. So find the mounting place that gets your sweet spot and then trim off some of the spare ratchet if necessary.

Will I keep mine? Well, it's not so different from an ATM 350 feedback-wise when used with backline. I'm also very nervous about the fragility of the lead between the mic and the XLR adaptor. It may be OK for a sweet violinist but may not easily survive the rough and tumble of a hairy arsed bass player playing with a seven piece, as I do. May have to make do with my trusty pickup.

Anyone in UK want to buy the mic at a knock down price.

Shades of Hans Christian Anderson perhaps?
 
#223
Vunz said:
Invalid Link Removed is the way I mount the mic. It has no audible effects on the sound of the bass.

Cheers,
Vincent
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this is absolutely gorgeous. here comes the G.A.S. :rollno:

been looking for an upgrade from my hclamp+shure sm57 rig. was talking to the soundman at dizzy's about the Neumann KM series and wanted to look up opinions on TB. i'm glad i found this.

now to somehow come up with the dough.
 
#224
call mike morgan at dpa at 303-485-1025

i'm sure he's a busy guy, so i wouldn't sweat the slow email reply.

jeff.

drew_bassmore said:
Any idea of internet retailers in the US (or distributors/retailers in the SF Bay Area) where I could potentially acquire the DPA 4099 with the DAD 6001? I cannot seem to find an option that specifies the DAD 6001. I sent an e-mail to Mike at DPA with no reply after two days.

Although I am very early in my playing career on DB, I am in a position at the moment to try a few sound reinforcement experiments, and the discussion regarding this mic intrigues me.

I also have a Headway EB-1 on it's way (spoke with Gordon and I routed my purchase through Jordan Instruments in Concord CA, the electric string instrument builder). I would like to try the mic blended (or not) with my Realist on my Hungarian carved bass. As well as on my Kay C1 as soon as I get some guts on it.
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#226
jrlynch said:
call mike morgan at dpa at 303-485-1025

i'm sure he's a busy guy, so i wouldn't sweat the slow email reply.

jeff.
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Thanks Jeff. I'm patient, and will give it another business day before I call.

In the meantime, I am not in a great rush. This is largely because I am not up to the level of many other players here on this discussion with the trained ear to determine whether this is a must have (but the posted clips sound good). Nor do I have any pending gigs on DB. But will be working and performing in an ensemble at school during Spring Semester where I can apply my amplification options.

Otherwise, I have been playing mostly without an amp or other audio aids.

I will now go back to lurking on this thread. :hiding: Thanks again.
 
#227
drew_bassmore said:
Any idea of internet retailers in the US (or distributors/retailers in the SF Bay Area) where I could potentially acquire the DPA 4099 with the DAD 6001? I cannot seem to find an option that specifies the DAD 6001. I sent an e-mail to Mike at DPA with no reply after two days.
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I asked the sales guy I've gone through for my recording gear at Sweetwater about this. He called DPA about the issue, and here was his reply:

I did confirm with DPA that the 80Hz HPF is actually built into the DAD4099 MicroDot to XLR connector itself, NOT in the microphone. When ordering the 4099V system, the DAD4099 is included---along with the VC4099 Mounting Bracket. There is a clip called the GC4099 which is meant for Cello--for stand-up bass we need the one meant for Viola and Violin strangely enough. So the way we need to do this is do a special order of the 4099V kit, but specify to include the DAD6001 instead of the included DAD4099. This will provide you with the MIC, the MOUNTING BRACKET, and the XLR JACK w/o the 80Hz HPF.
>
> The cost is basically the same at $599---but about $15 more due to being a special order. Does that make sense?
>
> Thank you,
> BRAD LYONS- Sweetwater
>
>
> (800)222-4700 x1362 Office Hours: MON-FRI 9-6 EST
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If anybody objects to this plug for a stateside outlet for the special configuration DPA mic, I'll remove it and simply say "PM me for details". At least we know it's possibe to get them here on this side of the pond with the adapter that seems to be the consensus choice.
 
#231
I used the 4099 for the first time last week and it's gonna stay till the end of a musical i'm doing. I place the mic just slightly away from the f-hole, so i get a little bit of "air" to the overall sound. This is for the musical "Victor/Victoria" so i guess its perfect for that old school bass sound.

Initially i used a Radial PZ-Pre to power the mic but it seems that there isn't enough clean gain. The mic is still sounding really good but i have quite a bit of hiss/hum going on. Then i brought in a Millennia Tube Preamp M-2B and it does the job wonderfully. i then use the PZ-Pre to do EQ controls, etc. The tube pre adds a bit more warmth to the overall sound as well. The last stage before going to the amp is a EBS multicomp to control the D string volume, it's overly resonant on this bass i have.

The output goes to my PJB Super Flightcase and i can get a lot of volume before feedback kicks in.

I love this setup but wonder if any one can recommend a good portable mic pre and maybe a natural sounding compressor as well.
 
#232
Hello to everybody!
I sent a mail to DPA and the italian distributor has said to me the double bass support for the 4099 will go out in December. So, the mic will remain the same. I don't like advertising but for people interested in this mic, I think is better to save money for the "right" double bass support or maybe is good to buy the mic without any support and to build an AMT like support ourself.
I'm a 4061 owner but I think though it's a good sounding mic for recordings or for solo/duo gigs it's not usable in the everyday life, even if you put it only in FOH.
That's all.

__________
Andrea
 
#233
brandonwong said:
I love this setup but wonder if any one can recommend a good portable mic pre and maybe a natural sounding compressor as well.
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I have a Link Removed. Very nice half rack mic pre, tube, not huge bucks. Phantom +48VDC. Phase reverse, input impedance padding. I don't have a DPA mic yet but my guess is this pre would work great. Sounds good with everything I've ever plugged into it. Compressor I don't know. Summit does make a Tube Compressor as companion to this mic pre that could Jack into the side chain and share a single rach space between the two of them. Might be good.
 
#234
The ART MP-project is sweet, cheap and works like a charm. it's less than a tenth of the cost of the Summit and has a separate 1/4 line out and and xlr, so you can send one line to your amp, the other to the house.

The only down is if you want to blend a pickup with it, but a cheap mixer can get you there. I'm running mine into a Raven blender.

Not dissin' the Summit though ... I have their DI and it sounds stupidly good.

jeff.

Uncletoad said:
I have a Link Removed. Very nice half rack mic pre, tube, not huge bucks. Phantom +48VDC. Phase reverse, input impedance padding. I don't have a DPA mic yet but my guess is this pre would work great. Sounds good with everything I've ever plugged into it. Compressor I don't know. Summit does make a Tube Compressor as companion to this mic pre that could Jack into the side chain and share a single rach space between the two of them. Might be good.
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#235
the pz pre wont provide enough gain because it doesnt have phantom power. but, if you get one of these http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Phantom1/ you can then run it into the pz pre which is exactly what i do and i then blend it with a pickup. there is plenty of gain, tone control, phase reverse if needed and high pass filter. i figured, why go buy an expensive mic pre when i have a great pre, the only part im missing is the phantom power. so i just bought that part.

brandonwong said:
I used the 4099 for the first time last week and it's gonna stay till the end of a musical i'm doing. I place the mic just slightly away from the f-hole, so i get a little bit of "air" to the overall sound. This is for the musical "Victor/Victoria" so i guess its perfect for that old school bass sound.

Initially i used a Radial PZ-Pre to power the mic but it seems that there isn't enough clean gain. The mic is still sounding really good but i have quite a bit of hiss/hum going on. Then i brought in a Millennia Tube Preamp M-2B and it does the job wonderfully. i then use the PZ-Pre to do EQ controls, etc. The tube pre adds a bit more warmth to the overall sound as well. The last stage before going to the amp is a EBS multicomp to control the D string volume, it's overly resonant on this bass i have.

The output goes to my PJB Super Flightcase and i can get a lot of volume before feedback kicks in.

I love this setup but wonder if any one can recommend a good portable mic pre and maybe a natural sounding compressor as well.
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#236
I tried using it with a Sennheiser MZA 14 and then into the PZ-Pre. It still doesn't have much gain and it is hissy. That's why i brought a real preamp out. Maybe i should try other brands and see if they are better.

This Sennheiser phantonm power still cost over $400 tho.
 
#237
The summit is like $400-$500 used on Evil bay. Why would you buy a $600 pro quality mic and run it through a $100 project studio mic pre? I'm not trying to say the summit is the holy grail, pic your favorite mic pre, but things like that ART pos is noisy and you can't even give them away for $50 when you realize it makes your $600 mic sound like an SM48.
 
#239
This is a very nice and affordable mic pre amp.
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i have one that i use all the time, even with my old ribbons, its very clean and has nice features.
i should say that i dont work or have any interests in studio projects, im just an happy customer.

Nuno
 
#240
hmmm, you might be having a problem somewhere in that signal chain then, because i run the mic into the phantom power unit and then into the pz pre and i can get really loud running into the front of my walter woods. no hiss and plenty of gain.

brandonwong said:
I tried using it with a Sennheiser MZA 14 and then into the PZ-Pre. It still doesn't have much gain and it is hissy. That's why i brought a real preamp out. Maybe i should try other brands and see if they are better.

This Sennheiser phantonm power still cost over $400 tho.
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