I used to play. I had probably 180 SOJ's and ever item imaginable. I had severeal level 98 or 99 characters (and awesome javazon and bowazon) and i never hacked.Originally posted by Propyro
LMAO
well i try to avoid e-Bay. They left a bad taste in my mouth from my Diablo 2 days ... those cheaky wankers ... made it so easy for a kid with a pay pal account to get all the best gear like nothing while legit players struggled to find or trade for it.
But as for the bass ... well that sucks ... but it did say it was repaired flawlessly? Or i guess that just dosn't matter ...
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Ebay fraud
- Thread starter Halftooth
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Originally posted by Nino-Brown
I don't see any cracks in the neck?
thats because there isn't one in the neck. The crack is on the headstock. If it was on the neck then we'd have some real big prolems ... exspecialy with a 5 string.
i had some pretty good stuff before i stopped playing ... well good for you not hacking ... bloody ith queens pissed me off so much.
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Two things come to mind:
1. Never buy a high dollar item on ebay from a seller with no history. Period.
2. This will probably end up as fraudulent damaged during shipping claim. Collusion between seller, bidders & winner of the auction. Seller lists the item in a private auction, so there is no traceable bid history. Buyer eventualy "wins" the auction, no money is ever really exchanged, item is shipped with insurance. Item is claimed as damaged by the receiver and a claim is submitted. Previously relatively worthless high dollar item is now repaired or replaced from the proceeds of the claim.
ebay can't do a thing about it.
Because its a private auction, if someone they don't know gets involved in the bidding, they are either outbid or their bid is removed by the seller. Would venture to guess that the auction is also set up to be sniped at the last minute to do away with any unwanted bidders.
The Santa Cruz PD may have a computer fraud division...........
1. Never buy a high dollar item on ebay from a seller with no history. Period.
2. This will probably end up as fraudulent damaged during shipping claim. Collusion between seller, bidders & winner of the auction. Seller lists the item in a private auction, so there is no traceable bid history. Buyer eventualy "wins" the auction, no money is ever really exchanged, item is shipped with insurance. Item is claimed as damaged by the receiver and a claim is submitted. Previously relatively worthless high dollar item is now repaired or replaced from the proceeds of the claim.
ebay can't do a thing about it.
Because its a private auction, if someone they don't know gets involved in the bidding, they are either outbid or their bid is removed by the seller. Would venture to guess that the auction is also set up to be sniped at the last minute to do away with any unwanted bidders.
The Santa Cruz PD may have a computer fraud division...........
If you really, really, really, really are heartsick about this auction, here's something that could work (I did this once when I saw a fraud being posted).
List your own posting. Set the price at $0.01 and a Buy it Now Price of $10,000. In your listing post the info from the bassgear listing and pose the question..."Does anybody know if this is the same bass being auctioned in listing number 2574879434?"
The private bidders will see it and hopefully release they need to ask the question.
The reason for the $0.01 value is to keep your eBay cost low. The $10,000 is to disuade anyone (the Warwick seller) from buying it to close it down before your point is made.
Peace,
James
List your own posting. Set the price at $0.01 and a Buy it Now Price of $10,000. In your listing post the info from the bassgear listing and pose the question..."Does anybody know if this is the same bass being auctioned in listing number 2574879434?"
The private bidders will see it and hopefully release they need to ask the question.
The reason for the $0.01 value is to keep your eBay cost low. The $10,000 is to disuade anyone (the Warwick seller) from buying it to close it down before your point is made.
Peace,
James
someone should bid on the item then retract their bid due to supporting information of major defect. and list it as ythe reason why,..then all bidders will see what the scumbag is doing. i cant do it i just sent him a nasty e mail.
Private auctions are not a bad thing nor is it illegal. It is along the line of real life sealed bid auctions. There is no way ebay can be held legally responsible for false statements or poorly advertised items. Carefully read their disclaimer sometime. You don't have to be an expertise in legal contract analysis to arrive at this conclusion.
Like all things in life there is a potential down side to just about everything. Either by design or manipulation.
While everyone appreciates bringing to light the defect in this bass, in all liklihood the seller is not out to defraud someone at large. If he were to successfully sell this bass as advertised he is not insulated from a civil suit brought by the buyer. Why risk that when he can EASILY rip off an insurance company. The burden of proof rests with the insurance carrier that the item was NOT damaged before it was shipped. If the answer to this question is not glaringly obvious, it is impossible for an insurer to prove that point. His intent is most likely to build a paper or cyber paper trail to perpetuate a fraud on an insurance company. The basis for any insurance claim is documentation, documentation, documentation.
I'm not pulling this scenario out of my a$$ either. I've seen it happen. I work in a capactity where I investigate these types of activities and pursue legal action againt the offending party or parties.
Next to auctions like this the next most popluar scam is fake certified bank checks to purchase large ticket items. I personally know of a late model 911 turbo that was sold upon presentation of a fake certified bank cashiers check. The seller took the check, signed off on the title and handed the buyer the keys who gleefully drove off. The sale took place after the bank had closed on a Saturday so the seller could not present the check to his bank until Monday morning. The bank deposited the check and about three days later he was notified that the check was bad. The forgery of the check was so good it had been printed with magnetic ink for the account and routing numbers. Meanwhile the "buyer" had a four day head start and was never found, nor was the car.
Why are they a good thing? Unless I misunderstand, the bid amounts are visible, the bidder's identity isn't. AFAIK this isn't the same as a sealed bid auction.
The seller emailed me - he revised his listing to mention the repair. Too bad the bidders have already bid it up quite high - so they are already scammed!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2574879434
Here is the seller (from his email): Brandon Canchola [email protected]
--joe
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2574879434
Here is the seller (from his email): Brandon Canchola [email protected]
--joe
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oh guys an gals i just got an e mail from the dude with the warwick, after i e mailed him a nasty note. ... and he pointed out to me that he just added the crack to his listing. i do write a nasty letter..
I got an E-mail from the dude with a link to the action with the update.
Team work is cool. That is part of the reason this place is so cool!!!
Team work is cool. That is part of the reason this place is so cool!!!
Wow, that's great work everyone! I knew that with some emailing and ebay prodding that something positive would come of all of this. I hope that all the bidders were notified as well.
I read a peice about this very bass- I'm pretty sure- about 9-10 months ago. This bass has been sold on e-bay before. Unfortunately I can't find all the info right now but I read a lengthy peice on this and how the original buyer eventually got his money back. Will post it when I have time to find the link again (ie when I'm not at work).
Tom
Tom
yup, i got that email too. Invalid Link Removed
looks like our hard work, or not so hard work, paid off this time guys...woot!
looks like our hard work, or not so hard work, paid off this time guys...woot!
slowburnaz
Commercial User
I got the e-mail, too... I knew I wasn't the only one to e-mail him about that "luthier-said-it's-not-worth-mentioning"-crack. We might have saved someone from a little fraud here.
