Ebola Comes To USA

[tastybasslines]

Some people just need things to be terrified of.

Yes, because nobody is dying and the laws of disease transmission cease to exist in the United States.

 

[aborgman]

A lot of illnesses have a high mortality rate but do not spread easily and therefore remain below the freak-out threshold.

Disease - Mortality Rate

Prion Diseases (TSE, etc.) - 100%
Primary amoebic meningoencephalitis - 100%
Anthrax, inhalational - >93%
Granulomatous amoebic encephalitis, Balamuthia mandrillaris & Acanthamoeba - >90%
Lujo virus disease - 80%
Ebola virus disease (for all types of ebolavirus outbreaks combined) - 60-65%

 

[skychief]

Heres a startling prediction made nearly two months ago by a TB member:

"But seriously, the Ebola virus is more likely to be spread by (unknowingly) affected passengers on international flights."

(see post #67)

 

[aborgman]

It will not spread like that in our country. We have doctors and medical facilities here. They don't have that in Liberia.

Before the Ebola outbreak Libera had ~150 doctors.

150 doctors total. For ~4 million people.

After the Ebola outbreak hit and all the ex-pats left that number was at ~50.

50 doctors total for 4 million people.

 

[slobake]

Disease - Mortality Rate

Prion Diseases (TSE, etc.) - 100%
Primary amoebic meningoencephalitis - 100%
Anthrax, inhalational - >93%
Granulomatous amoebic encephalitis, Balamuthia mandrillaris & Acanthamoeba - >90%
Lujo virus disease - 80%
Ebola virus disease (for all types of ebolavirus outbreaks combined) - 60-65%

Do you know what all these diseases are? I never heard of some of them.

 

[Lesfunk]

Heres a startling prediction made nearly two months ago by a TB member:

"But seriously, the Ebola virus is more likely to be spread by (unknowingly) affected passengers on international flights."

(see post #67)

Absolutely correct in this case. All except the unknowingly part.

 

[One Drop]

Absolutely correct in this case. All except the unknowingly part.

Yes, and it has been predicted for YEARS as being more or less eventually inevitable.

 

[One Drop]

Yes, because nobody is dying and the laws of disease transmission cease to exist in the United States.

We have a patient in Switzerland at a secure hospital set up recently for the eventuality.

I repeatedly said there is real risk and am not minimizing it.

But it isn't freak out time. Some things pose a risk to our health and our lives, but we fear some over others due to their emotional aspect, visibility, etc.

I'm just saying life is too short to be afraid of dying of Ebola. I'd rather die of the freaking thing than to live in fear of an the slight chance I will catch it.

And if I do, then it's done. I really feel sorry for people that are so afraid of dying that they forget to enjoy life.

 

[Lesfunk]

I wonder how many of the 3000 U.S. soldiers sent to West Africa will contract the Ebola virus?

 

[aborgman]

Do you know what all these diseases are? I never heard of some of them.

Prion Diseases (TSE, etc.) - 100%

Diseases carried by prions such as Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE), Kuru, and
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans, Mad Cow Disease in cattle, Chronic Wasting Disease in deer, and Scrapie in sheep.

Primary amoebic meningoencephalitis - 100%

Meningitis caused by Naegleria fowleri amoeba

Anthrax, inhalational - >93%

Sure you've heard of this one.

Granulomatous amoebic encephalitis, Balamuthia mandrillaris & Acanthamoeba - >90%

Amoeba activity of various sorts forming general infections that attack mostly brain tissue.

Lujo virus disease - 80%

arenavirus similar to Lassa Fever virus, causes viral hemorrhagic fever.

Ebola virus disease (for all types of ebolavirus outbreaks combined) - 60-65%

Yet another virus that causes viral hemorrhagic fever.

 

[skychief]

Yes, and it has been predicted for YEARS as being more or less eventually inevitable.

prove it smart guy.

 

[slobake]

Diseases carried by prions such as Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE), Kuru, and
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans, Mad Cow Disease in cattle, Chronic Wasting Disease in deer, and Scrapie in sheep.




Meningitis caused by Naegleria fowleri amoeba



Sure you've heard of this one.



Amoeba activity of various sorts forming general infections that attack mostly brain tissue.



arenavirus similar to Lassa Fever virus, causes viral hemorrhagic fever.



Yet another virus that causes viral hemorrhagic fever.

Okay did you know about them before you looked them up on the internet?

 

[One Drop]

prove it smart guy.

I don't have to, I lived through the various scares every time there was an outbreak, and actually listened to what various doctors and health care experts predicted.
Are you really going to argue with me and claim that no one has predicted that a deadly disease that has a a TWENTY day incubation period will spread by people getting on planes without knowing they were infected?

Or did you not understand my point?

 

[Lesfunk]

That man knew he was exposed to Ebola. He knew his only chance of getting any possible help was getting the "F" outta Dodge and on a plane to The USA so he lied on his medical questionaire.

 

[ddnidd1]

It's spreading - relatively fast. The number of new cases reported is growing significantly. You don't need to know that much more to be fearful.

It will not spread like that in our country. We have doctors and medical facilities here. They don't have that in Liberia.

Huh? They have doctors and medical facilities in Liberia.

Disease - Mortality Rate

Ebola virus disease (for all types of ebolavirus outbreaks combined) - 60-65%

And due to the 'essentially' non-existent medical facilities in the effected areas, that's why the Very Lucky few have been transported to US hospitals where the death rate, so far, is 0%.

If all things were equal, the death rate should be much higher than Zero.

Great medical care is substantially better and produces increased positive outcomes than, for all intents and purposes, No Effective medical care in the effected areas of Africa.

 

[One Drop]

That man knew he was exposed to Ebola. He knew his only chance of getting any possible help was getting the "F" outta Dodge and on a plane to The USA so he lied on his medical questionaire.

Unfortunately probably exactly what happened.

One thing about very deadly diseases, fortunately they tend not to be easily transmissible, or they become less dangerous. This is logical as any disease that killed everyone would not last long without hosts.

We also tend to throw money and research at diseases as they start to affect people that 'matter' i.e. populations in the 'have' countries. It's morally execrable but the way it is.

 

[Lesfunk]

Bringing patients to the US for treatment is madness and goes against every rule of epidemiology. CONTAINMENT being FIRST and FOREMOST.

 

[ddnidd1]

Bringing patients to the US for treatment is madness and goes against every rule of epidemiology. CONTAINMENT being FIRST and FOREMOST.

In highly controlled circumstances? And there hasn't been one cross infection or exposure yet using established quarantine practices.

So far they have all lived and provided valuable information on successful treatment of the disease.

 

[aborgman]

Okay did you know about them before you looked them up on the internet?

Mostly, yes.

I've done quite a bit of reading on prion diseases due to being a deer hunter and the issues with CWD.

 

[Turock]

It will not spread like that in our country. We have doctors and medical facilities here. They don't have that in Liberia.

And suppose those resources become overwhelmed....

And due to the 'essentially' non-existent medical facilities in the effected areas, that's why the Very Lucky few have been transported to US hospitals where the death rate, so far, is 0%.

If all things were equal, the death rate should be much higher than Zero.

Great medical care is substantially better and produces increased positive outcomes than, for all intents and purposes, No Effective medical care in the effected areas of Africa.

Yeah, and should the "doctors and medical facilities" in the US become overwhelmed, I'm sure you will gladly give up your family's spot in line because, hey, the death rate in the US at one time was zero.