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Eden Forum Disappears

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Rip Van Dan, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    Hi all,

    I've received a number of PM's here at TB over the last couple of weeks asking what happened to the Eden forum, so I thought perhaps I should just put it out there instead of continuing to answer on an individual basis.

    I was one of the two active moderators on the Eden Forum, part of the Eden website. The other moderator and electronics guru was Armin (bassmann1968). One morning when I went to check new messages on the forum, it wouldn't come up. Then I got a message from Armin saying he couldn't get it to come up either. Then he checked with our Marshall/Eden contact to find out what the story was.

    Word came down that Marshall decided to close it because of "costs". Not sure where they incurred those costs as Armin and I were were not paid moderators. Only charge I can think of is the cost of hosting, which isn't that much.

    There was no notice given and no explanation posted, they just pulled it entirely. Armin tried to see if he could perhaps adopt the forum so we wouldn't lose all the years of information, diagrams, illustrations, sticky notes, and Eden knowledge accumulated over the years. Marshall just said, "No".

    So the final word is that Marshall decided to end The Eden Forum for financial reasons :rollno: and the Eden forum is closed permanently. You can still post questions about Eden gear here on Talkbass as both Armin and I are active members and are happy to help out where we can. Wish I had better news for all you Edenites, but there it is.
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2019
  2. Lowendtech

    Lowendtech Happily trending in my own peculiar direction. Supporting Member

    Wow. Words (nice ones) fail me.
    Asinine Behaviour.
    That was the first forum I ever belonged to and I learned quite a bit over there.
    Coincidentally, I just sold my last piece of Eden gear (WT800C) two days ago.

    Dan, you and Armin kept the porch light lit for a good while. Shame on Marshall.
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  3. Inara

    Inara Fierce Fun Fretless Female Supporting Member

    Jun 12, 2017
    Seattle, WA USA
    That makes me very sad. I haven't visited the forum in many years, but way back when I was an Eden endorser I really enjoyed it there, and found much useful info. RIP to what was once a very cool community. :(
  4. Keger Jupit

    Keger Jupit Inactive

    May 10, 2018
    The Great PNW!!
    ...well that's just idiotic...I just bought a very nice WT400+...

    Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!!

    Fathomer1977, Luther, SJan3 and 13 others like this.
  5. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    If you bought a WT400, hold onto it and use the heck out of it. We had a lot of folks on the Eden Forum when it was still running that sold theirs and then came back crying about it and putting up "wanted" posts for the WT400. It is considered just about the best sounding Eden amp ever built, even though it was last offered for sale in 2004, about 3-years after the first WT550 came out. So play it, enjoy it, and take some DeOxit 5 to clean all the jacks on it once a year.

    And as I mentioned, you are welcome to post questions about Eden topics on TB.
  6. Keger Jupit

    Keger Jupit Inactive

    May 10, 2018
    The Great PNW!!
    I appreciate that @Rip Van Dan. I wanted one for years when I was younger & poorer. I ran across someone's "studio use only" WT at a local GC. I bought it for $325!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is in ridiculously good condition. No dings or dents, not a single scratch, the pots are perfect...even the colored knob caps are still there! SCORE!! Sounds amazing thru a couple pre-Fender SWR cabs, & my Ashdown cabs...thru everything so far!
  7. BasturdBlaster


    Feb 19, 2012
    Crandon WI
    Wt400?, I recently bought this one, sounds so sweet :thumbsup:
    SJan3, polkaman81, PWV and 11 others like this.
  8. okcrum

    okcrum in your chest

    Oct 5, 2009
    Verde Valley, AZ
    RIP Dark Horse strings
    Wow. That's a drag. It's not that Marshall couldn't afford the hosting...IMO they want to break from the old Eden culture.The site's dead, not even responding.

    I think I'm gonna hang on to my Montrose-made WT405.
  9. sawzalot

    sawzalot Supporting Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    Wow, that’s pretty cold. It’s been years since I was over there but to kill it off like that is pretty brutal.
  10. BogeyBass

    BogeyBass Inactive

    Sep 14, 2010
    LOL good one

    Well Everyone Look at the bright side though.
    There is plenty of real Edens out there.
    And we can still talk about them.
  11. murphy

    murphy Supporting Member

    May 5, 2004
    I am sorry you were treated that way.

    No more Eden gear in my arsenal...but I will not buy anything Marshall

    bad karma to treat you guys so disrespectfully
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  12. Lowendtech

    Lowendtech Happily trending in my own peculiar direction. Supporting Member

    It’s bad enough to kill it for the users but Armin has unimaginable amount of his time into helping Eden users solve problems and giving advice as to how best to use the gear. All that time, effort and the knowledge base gone up in the ether.
    That’s the real kicker for me. There’s serious disrespect there. That don’t float my boat.
  13. Keger Jupit

    Keger Jupit Inactive

    May 10, 2018
    The Great PNW!!
    Pertin Magnifique.jpg

    Purfectin' the ampin'
  14. MarkA

    MarkA In the doghouse. Supporting Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    I am not an Edenite (though I've enjoyed playing through a friend's WT550 on occasion and have looked up info on that forum in the past), but that is low treatment. Sorry it happened to you -- the loss of accumulated knowledge and the disrespect -- but glad that you have another medium through which to connect.
    Bassmann1968 and BasturdBlaster like this.
  15. Let Marshall know that they have pissed off quite a number of potential customers. They might re-think their financial motives for closing the site.
  16. Jim Carr

    Jim Carr Dr. Jim

    Jan 21, 2006
    Denton, TX or Kailua, HI
    fEARful Kool-Aid dispensing liberal academic card-carrying union member Musicians Local 72-147
    The company that can't be bothered to sell a reissued, even perhaps china-built Marshall Major, is not interested in Bass, so why care about a bunch nostalgic old folks and their Eden gear, right?

    We are just viewed as dinosaurs who are never going to buy a Marshall product.
    Amazing how right they are about that last bit. :vomit:
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2019
  17. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    Marshall changed the destination of www.edenamps.com to redirect to the Eden pages on the Marshall site. The old site is still functioning for the moment and you can find it at www.edenamps.net. No idea how much longer it will be up.

    Among other things, you can still find information and download the various manuals for the pre-Marshall Eden gear from there under Products/Historical Products and click on the model you're looking for. One of the nice things you'll find is the date of the item next to the listing. Anything with a 2012 date or later though will have the much abbreviated and less info intensive Marshall/Eden manual.

    You will find that the Marshall/Eden manual comes in English, French, Spanish, German, and Chinese all included in that one manual. Evidently they thought it was more important to put all the languages in one very abbreviated manual instead of using that space to explain all about the amp. The worst omission is that they deleted the info on how to set up the gain, which is critical to getting the best sound out of each of your basses through an Eden amp.

    If you have an Eden amp and only have the Marshall/Eden manual, you can find most of the older manuals on their .net address. If you would like to know how to find the "sweet spot" with an Eden amp for your bass, drop me a PM or just ask here.

    And hey @okcrum, don't sell that WT405. It's a great amp. It does not have a hybrid preamp in it but uses a chip referred to as a "golden ear" chip (don't know what that chip is exactly) to get the same warmth out of that preamp that they get out of their hybrid preamps. It works really well and is a great amp.
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2019
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  18. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    The disrespect of not bothering to tell the moderators it was going to close was a bit of a tough pill to swallow, but we can get over that. The sad thing is as @Lowendtech pointed out, Armin did indeed put crazy amount of time helping Eden users solve problems and get the best out of their gear. I also put in a fair amount of time answering questions there too, but I had only around 3,000 posts there and I think Armin had over 10,000. And, if someone had questions about correct values for internal parts, Armin could tell them.
  19. Rip Van Dan

    Rip Van Dan DNA Endorsing Artist Supporting Member

    Feb 2, 2009
    Duvall, WA
    You got a crazy good price on that amp. Heavily used WT400's rarely sell for less than $500. Great Score! By the way, if you didn't already know it, David (founder of Eden) designed the original SWR "Goliath" 410 cab before he really started making bass gear for his own company. At the time he had been making custom PA gear and this was a contract deal with SWR to design a cabinet for them.
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  20. okcrum

    okcrum in your chest

    Oct 5, 2009
    Verde Valley, AZ
    RIP Dark Horse strings
    Heck no, this one stays. It's my second. The THAT4301 chip is why I have it. Mackie and others built it into channel strips for mixers. It does a bunch of stuff, including the compression and warmth.
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