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EMBB Caprice/Cutlass & Fender Dimension, Why they didn't catch on.

The main thing that made me go "ewww, no!" when looking at the Caprice/Cutlass was that the pole pieces didn't line up under the strings on the P pickup.
EBMM designed the bass and the pickups themselves too. No excuse there.
Especially when one of the marketing points of the new Stingray specials is that now the pickup pole pieces finally line up under the strings correctly!
The C/C may sound great but when they're priced at well over 2K they have to look damn perfect too.
 
i think if they stayed at 1800 they would sell, i'd buy one but 2,600 no way,
If im paying 2600 bucks ill add another 400 and get something like a gould.

3K is boutique territory in my opinion...when you are in that ballpark price it better
have some amazing woods etc.....

their attention to detail and quality is can justify higher prices than most but at the new prices,
for me, I need materials that take it beyond a "normal production bass" and get closer to their PDN line.
 
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this has been a fun thread to read and contribute to...One last thought:

Im not sure how many of you are my age (over 50) but paradigms have really changed over the decades, especially in the past ten years. For example: Simple passive basses strung with flatwounds for emphasized fundamental are very popular in 201Xs and now have a huge base. This wasnt the norm 30 years ago (Id argue it wasnt the norm 10 or 15 years ago, either), when a great majority of players -- From Top 40 Dance/Funk/Pop to A-Circuit rock -- were looking for more rich string harmonic structure, active electronics (save for a few brands like Ric), and roundwounds and ran from flats as far as possible. In many ways, the passive/flats trend is going "backwards" (more a 50s/60s/early 70s thing) and its possible that the Caprice and Cutlass "wheel reinvention" were originally designed from R&D data to meet this growing trend
 
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this has been a fun thread to read and contribute to...One last thought:

Im not sure how many of you are my age (over 50) but paradigms have really changed over the decades, especially in the past ten years. For example: Simple passive basses strung with flatwounds for emphasized fundamental are very popular in 201Xs and now have a huge base. This wasnt the norm 30 years ago (Id argue it wasnt the norm 10 or 15 years ago, either), when a great majority of players -- From Top 40 Dance/Funk/Pop to A-Circuit rock -- were looking for more rich string harmonic structure, active electronics (save for a few brands like Ric), and roundwounds and ran from flats as far as possible. In many ways, the passive/flats trend is going "backwards" (more a 50s/60s/early 70s thing) and its possible that the Caprice and Cutlass "wheel reinvention" were originally designed from R&D data to meet this growing trend

I don't doubt that it was intended to meet that demand. But to me it looked rather halfhearted. I mean they used the same basic pick guard design, at least on every one I've ever seen. Are you going to lure Fender players into buying this? Not on a very large scale. It's a product that seems designed to only appeal to existing customers IMO. I mean Ibanez did the same thing with the Talmen but they at least based it on a platform that looks different. Sweetwater has one right now, a basic white P bass that looks much like a Fender, for $2199. Ridiculous IMO.
 
If everyone would be more interested in one of these basses as an SBMM for less than a grand. Contact ebmm, I sent an email to them and they reached out and said they'd pass the idea along. I think if at least 20 people reached out, they might consider it.
 
Since I saw an announcement on the forum that Music Man is ending production of the Caprice and Cutlass basses, it got me thinking about the Fender Dimension as well. I had a chance to spend some time with a used American Dimension recently and it was actually a really nice bass. Well put together, solid preamp, and I actually thought it did the stingray thing well while bringing a different flavor to the whole experience, both visually and tonally.

I also sampled both passive Ernie ball offerings at different times and they were also impressive as well. Excellent build quality and while I won't say total sonic carbon copies of the Fenders they are modeled after, they are still in the right ball park.

What's obvious here is that both companies were trying to take a bite of the other's apple. So in the end, what went wrong? I was always interested in a Caprice and will probably still try to nab one at some point, though now it might be harder.

In my mind what doomed the Ernie Ball basses was the recent price increase. I think had both the Cutlass and Caprice remained at a $1600ish price they would have still had parity with American made Fender's and been able to compete but in the mid $2000 range, they are approaching custom build prices and I think that sealed their fate.

That being said, I would love it if they would release the cutlass and caprice under the SBMM line. If one of those priced out around $700 to $800, I could see them selling well and at least keeping the models alive in some form, and then maybe doing limited BFR releases of them ever now and then.

Now the Dimension. I'm not sure why this one didn't work. The bass felt really nice and I might even venture to say had a more even frequency response that some stingrays I've played (the pickup was interesting). I think in the end there just wasn't enough marketing behind it. Fender's angle here was probably we have a better mouse trap, but I don't think there was enough messaging behind it.

Another thing I wonder is had things been reversed and EBMM released the dimension and called it stingray 2 and Fender resleased the Caprice and Cutlass and called it the Fender's modern series, would both have fared better since each company would have been "Staying in Their Lane" so to speak. I guess in the end it just speaks to what customers expect of particular companies.
Did you buy the Dimension?
 
If everyone would be more interested in one of these basses as an SBMM for less than a grand. Contact ebmm, I sent an email to them and they reached out and said they'd pass the idea along. I think if at least 20 people reached out, they might consider it.

... I was going to make a comment about the 19mm bridge spacing SR5, but I'll shut up ;)
 
There has to be a certain Eye appeal to just about anything you buy. IMHO all 3 of these basses did not have that and that is enough for me to not consider them at pretty much any price point. For the record, I like the way the Dimensions sounded but could not get past the looks.
 
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I guess Fender really copied music man with the Dimension. The same has been said about the Bongo.
The Dimension sounds completly different to the stingray. The pickups and the preamp are totally different. I think one of the reasons the dimension didn´t sell is because people expected it to sound like a "fender stingray" and when it didnt, they got frustrated.
 
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IMO, All three of these basses have the most unattractive pickguards.
Nope!! I think not.
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Guitar Center in Southfield MI has a caprice tobacco burst on clearance. $1199. If you wanted one....
Really? I see that too on the website. I called that store and they said they don't have one. But he looked in computer he didn't actually walk around the store and look. My local GC even looked for inventory across the country and it said none in any store - just in the main distribution warehouse. If you did see it there let me know and I will drive over and get it. Thanks
 
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