Epifani UL-410 VS UL2-310

[Vic]

I can get my 410UL in my Mazda 3i wagon easily. Heck I could get my preveious NV215 in it but it was a stuggle. So... get a 410UL and a Mazda

I have a Protege 5, which is the predecessor to that, and yeah, I can get it in there, but amazingly, I can fit TWO 310's behind the back seat in mine without folding it down, which actually is a bit easier overall with space. That said, like I said, I do currently GAS for a 4 ohm S2 410, so we'll have to see how all that shakes out...

Also, to Ken's point about the easier "Schlep" (I still love that word ), I'm also referring to lifting/carrying the cab. The 410 is very lift-able... especially for a 410, but again, there's some sort of physical boundary crossed between the 410 and the 310. Even if they were the same weight, the 310 would still be MUCH easier to lift, lug, and load/unload. Just something about the dimensional diff. However, when using casters, which I know Ken does a lot of, the 410 actually works out better, 'cause the bigger size makes it a better "cart".

 

[Big String]

I have a Protege 5, which is the predecessor to that, and yeah, I can get it in there, but amazingly, I can fit TWO 310's behind the back seat in mine without folding it down, which actually is a bit easier overall with space. That said, like I said, I do currently GAS for a 4 ohm S2 410, so we'll have to see how all that shakes out...

Also, to Ken's point about the easier "Schlep" (I still love that word ), I'm also referring to lifting/carrying the cab. The 410 is very lift-able... especially for a 410, but again, there's some sort of physical boundary crossed between the 410 and the 310. Even if they were the same weight, the 310 would still be MUCH easier to lift, lug, and load/unload. Just something about the dimensional diff. However, when using casters, which I know Ken does a lot of, the 410 actually works out better, 'cause the bigger size makes it a better "cart".

I agree with all. Ain't those little Mazda's cool. One of my Son's has the Protege 5, a black one, he would'nt sell it to me so I bought the newer 3i. He digs the rally style hood on his more. Mine has the 160hp mill in it though .. zoom zoom.
Sorry... back to bass gear.

 

[vision]

I actually find the 410UL easier to schlep around since it sits so high on the wheels... just put your head on top and wheel it in... and no trouble lifting it by yourself (up stairs, onto stages, etc.).

I agree with this...especially now that I'm not using a rack setup that will increase the height of the 310UL for rolling it around. I'm 6'5", so I have to bend WAY over to push around the 310UL. The only problem with the 410UL is that I don't think it would fit in the backseat of my sedan.

 

[Vic]

Big String and Vision... let's all buy new CRV's. Ken got one and they're AWESOME for hauling gear... even with the back seat up, and they still get great mileage... they also easily fit a 410.

Big String, yeah, I really love my P5. I like the look of it better and the hatch is more square, so it's easier to get stuff in and out. I wouldn't mind having more HP, but there are TONS of aftermarket parts for these if I really wanted too... these are one of those cars like the Myata that has a large following for some reason.

Oh, and so this isn't an off-topic post... "UL410". There.

 

[tombowlus]

I'd generally say the overall diffs between the S1's and the S2's is, again, before amp EQ is used, the S2's are a bit more even tempered and the S1's are more mid growly.

The speaker diffs are also going to affect the different cabs differently as well.

On the 410, I think the S2 is a big improvement, and I know I'll get argument on this. I can appreciate the cutting capabilities of the S1, but every time I heard that cab I found it to be SO heavy in those mids I really had a problem with it and started fighting it with EQ right away (a big red flag to me when eval'ing gear). I'll personally never be interested in an S1 410. However, the S2 410 is giving me MAJOR GAS

+1 across the board, Vic.

 

[tombowlus]

Big String and Vision... let's all buy new CRV's.

Nah, y'all should get yourself some Audi wagons. You'd be amazed what I can fit in my S6!

 

[KJung]

Nah, y'all should get yourself some Audi wagons. You'd be amazed what I can fit in my S6!

I've seen an amazing amount of stuff come out of that thing!

The cool thing about the small SUV's like the RAV and the CSV is that they have darkened back windows and a deep back storage compartment. So, the cool thing is, unless you really stick your nose up to the glass, you can't see anything in there. When playing in the city, or playing multiple one nighters in a row (especially if you are on the road), it's a very nice thing to be able to leave your rig in the car and not worry about it too much.

Interestingly, the RAV and CSV have much larger storage areas with a much lower/easier access than the larger SUV's, I assume due to them being built on a car vs. a truck platform. Whatever the reason, combining the gas mileage and the 'giggability', these two seem to be the tops of the tops, along with the Honda Element. Cool!

Edit: ooops... to get back on topic.... 310UL... nice!

 

[jmain]

I've seen an amazing amount of stuff come out of that thing!

The cool thing about the small SUV's like the RAV and the CSV is that they have darkened back windows and a deep back storage compartment. So, the cool thing is, unless you really stick your nose up to the glass, you can't see anything in there. When playing in the city, or playing multiple one nighters in a row (especially if you are on the road), it's a very nice thing to be able to leave your rig in the car and not worry about it too much.

Interestingly, the RAV and CSV have much larger storage areas with a much lower/easier access than the larger SUV's, I assume due to them being built on a car vs. a truck platform. Whatever the reason, combining the gas mileage and the 'giggability', these two seem to be the tops of the tops, along with the Honda Element. Cool!

Edit: ooops... to get back on topic.... 310UL... nice!

I have a Honda Element and you'd be amazed at what you can stuff in there. If needed, the seats fold up against the walls, leaving a huge cargo area. But my Epifani cabs fit in the very back w/out folding the seats and my bass can lay in the back seats. I can actually fit the 2x112 cabs, head, stand and bass in the back w/out folding the seats up.

Would love to get a UL310 for the back.

 

[tombowlus]

Interestingly, the RAV and CSV have much larger storage areas with a much lower/easier access than the larger SUV's, I assume due to them being built on a car vs. a truck platform. Whatever the reason, combining the gas mileage and the 'giggability', these two seem to be the tops of the tops, along with the Honda Element. Cool!

Agreed, those are great gigging machines. I considered picking up something like an Element or perhaps Scion xB, and having a second 'fun' car, but I decided to wrap it all into one with the S6.

FWIW, my wife's Highlander is another great gigging vehicle.

Tom.

 

[jmain]

Agreed, those are great gigging machines. I considered picking up something like an Element or perhaps Scion xB, and having a second 'fun' car, but I decided to wrap it all into one with the S6.

FWIW, my wife's Highlander is another great gigging vehicle.

Tom.

I remember the pic of the outdoor stage setup with a ton of gear and the Highlander in the back. Still hard to believe all that stuff came outta there.

 

[Big String]

I remember the pic of the outdoor stage setup with a ton of gear and the Highlander in the back. Still hard to believe all that stuff came outta there.

Like the Horn Of Plenty.

UL

 

[jmain]

Like the Horn Of Plenty.

UL

310

 

[MacGroove]

Great post Vic on your thoughts of the Series 1 and Series 2 UL410's.

Also, great reading on vehicle selection guys. I have a Toyota 4-Runner, I can put my 410, 2-112's, amp and bass in the back without putting the seats down and have room for 3 lovely ladies to bring along too.

 

[Vic]

3 lovely ladies to bring along too.

Now THAT's my kinda' bass player...

 

[KJung]

Great post Vic on your thoughts of the Series 1 and Series 2 UL410's.

Also, great reading on vehicle selection guys. I have a Toyota 4-Runner, I can put my 410, 2-112's, amp and bass in the back without putting the seats down and have room for 3 lovely ladies to bring along too.

I know I am getting old when I get more excited about fitting a 410 and two 112's in a car than the 3 lovely ladies

 

[Vic]

You guys are all idiots... I'm gonna' get a Randall bass combo and blow y'all away with my massive 50W of earth shattering mind numbing power, and save my money for entertaining the ladies in Vegas...

...UL310...

 

[jmain]

Hmm....UL310 or DrBass RL310??

 

[Vic]

Hmm....UL310 or DrBass RL310??

The only thing I'm not too keen on with the DrBass 310 cabs is they have kind of a funky 2+1 wiring to achieve 4 and 8 ohms with 3 drivers. They do not use 12/24 ohm drivers.

For example, for 8 ohms, it's 2 8 ohm 10's in series (for 16 overall) wired in parallel with another single 16 ohm 10 for (16' || 16) = 8. This means one 10 is getting twice the power of the other two, which bugs me a bit. They say you can't really tell from an audibility standpoint, but even if that's the case, just knowing the power is so unevenly distributed inside is a bit unsettling for me. I'd be worried about that lone 10 under heavy power such as approaching their rated 750W each... that one 10 is getting 375W of power in that case.

I'm guessing they need to rate it based on what that one speaker would see in a given situation, apparently a 250W, so the cab should probably really be rated at 500W, not 750W max, and the fact that the other two drivers will never be pushed hard is moot.

Other than that, they look like cool cabs.

 

[KJung]

The only thing I'm not too keen on with the DrBass 310 cabs is they have kind of a funky 2+1 wiring to achieve 4 and 8 ohms with 3 drivers. They do not use 12/24 ohm drivers.

For example, for 8 ohms, I believe it's 2 8 ohm 10's in series (for 16 overall) wired in parallel with another single 16 ohm 10 for (16' || 16) = 8. This means one 10 is getting twice the power of the other two, which bugs me a bit. They say you can't really tell from an audibility standpoint, but even if that's the case, just knowing the power is so unevenly distributed inside is a bit concerning for me. I'd be worried about that lone 10 under heavy power. Other than that, they look like cool cabs.

That is NOT a good thing IMO.

 

[Vic]

I'm not making this up, either...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: your 310 cab...
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:21:07 -0700
From: [email protected]

To get an 8 ohm cab take 2-8 ohm drivers and wire them is series to 16
ohms, and then run 1-16 ohm driver in parallel to get the 8 ohm load. We
tested this configuration for over a year and it works out great. We
even went as far as isolating the drivers and putting seperate mikes on
each and testing the SPL and they came out identical.

Marc Serio
Dr. Bass LLC
843-278-5227

So they're primarily concerned about SPL's and just making sure you can't hear any difference. I'd be concerned about reliability.