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ESP MusicCord
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scotch
It's not rocket science!
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No, certainly I'm not calling you a liar!
It just sounds like the type of story that changes a wee bit every time it is re-told. In fact, we got some more particularly pertinent info regarding the story when you responded to me! It's cool - I'm definitely not picking a fight. I guess I've never heard of or played a show where there was someone merchandising directly to the performers. (Outside of targeted music instrument industry functions anway.) Usually, if there is a retailer or manufacturer present, they're there to give you something, not swipe your credit card! I'm doing a semi-private show for Namm later in the month, at something like that I could see the scenario you outline happening, just not at a typical national-act public show. (Again, not saying that you are lying, just that it's certainly not typical!)
(full time bass player) I guess this is addressed to me?
In my original thread I asked to hear from actual users of this cable. Since that thread there have been probably 50 responses from everyone from electrical engineers, speaker cabinet makers and I think one guy said he was a scientist.
Only 4 responses from actual users, the last one being Jimmy. I want to thank those 4 users for there insight. Victor Wooten is one of the endorsers of this cable so is Dave Funk who makes Thunderfunk amps. I already spoke to Dave and he loves the cable. Next I'll email Victor and try to get his opinion.
Hey, this is supposed to be the part of the thread where everyone sucks up to me and tells me what a great and impartial job I did!
Or it's the part where you tell me I'm full of ----! Either way, I think I should get some love around here, dammit! Was it true science? No. But it was science enough to convince me of my findings, and I did approach it with an open mind, although I tend to take the word of engineers who have bigtime qualifications with great weight. And they are absolutely right. Beautifully made cable...but a free cable that comes with a computer did just as good a job.
Or it's the part where you tell me I'm full of ----! Either way, I think I should get some love around here, dammit! Was it true science? No. But it was science enough to convince me of my findings, and I did approach it with an open mind, although I tend to take the word of engineers who have bigtime qualifications with great weight. And they are absolutely right. Beautifully made cable...but a free cable that comes with a computer did just as good a job.
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No, certainly I'm not calling you a liar!
I guess I've never heard of or played a show where there was someone merchandising directly to the performers. (Outside of targeted music instrument industry functions anway.) Usually, if there is a retailer or manufacturer present, they're there to give you something, not swipe your credit card! I'm doing a semi-private show for Namm later in the month, at something like that I could see the scenario you outline happening, just not at a typical national-act public show. (Again, not saying that you are lying, just that it's certainly not typical!)
Again feel free to contact Chris Poland.
I'm sure he'll inform you as to what the event was all about.
Hey Jim I appreciate all the time you put comparing the cables. Also thank your wife for putting up with a bunch of bass players on TB....
bongomania said:
What the human ear is excellent at is distinction. It's a survival tool.
What you say is true about some humans. Others are quite honest about subjectivity and are able to bring mankind great products and inventions. Some combine form and function in wonderful ways. Don't belittle the mind and brain and hand that designed the measuring instruments that we use.
Plenty of love Jimmy, but this is one of those products that seems to polarize people into two camps. Those who hear a difference and those that say hogwash. Taking a position one way, or another, puts you into one of those camps and not likely to get much love from the other side.
Me, I'm sitting on the fence with this one. While I'm not sure I buy the marketing, you can't argue the fact that some players use this product and love it. Personally, I don't care why a person loves it. If they plug in and hear a difference (for whatever reason) and the cord makes them enjoy their rig more and that in turn, helps them to perform better, then who am I to argue with them?
Me, I'm sitting on the fence with this one. While I'm not sure I buy the marketing, you can't argue the fact that some players use this product and love it. Personally, I don't care why a person loves it. If they plug in and hear a difference (for whatever reason) and the cord makes them enjoy their rig more and that in turn, helps them to perform better, then who am I to argue with them?
There once was a man from the Sunshine State,
Who tested a cord and could not recreate
The opinions of others
But we're all brothers
Something something something that ends in "ate".
Enough love? ;-)
Well Roger, I'm all about doing what it takes to get you psyched up for doing your best, but I guess I prefer to put that money into stuff that actually makes me feel good. Cables don't make me feel good. You need them, but I use whatever power cable I have laying around, and I buy whatever's on sale for instrument and speaker cables that looks like it could withstand heavy gigging for more than a month. And I hate spending money on something that doesn't work as advertised AND doesn't make me feel good
Though he and his money won't separate.
Good one, Rich...just needed that last little zinger
Though he and his money won't separate.
Good one, Rich...just needed that last little zinger
There you go. I ran out of creative juice. Heh.
scotch
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You know,.. I can get behind that 100%! I think most of us have had experiences (whether it's gear, a good meal, whatever) that influenced our playing in a good way. In turn, we likely played better and probably sounded better as a result! So, yeah, if a fancy ac cord brings that factor to the equation- I get it. Whether or not the musician has any understanding about how their gear works is probably no where near important as how something inspires them to perform.
bongomania
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chadds said:
You completely misunderstand what I was saying. Our brains and hands have positively proven that ALL people's brains perform the specific task of matching input (senses) against previously registered patterns, before passing a "sound" or an "image" to our consciousness.
This has absolutely nothing to do with any person being better at perception than any other person. For example I pride myself on the "objectivity" of my product reviews, but I wouldn't for a second claim or suppose that my brain does not operate in the same way as all other human brains.
On the gig. (jazz gig in urb). ABd the cords. They sound different. The ESP is louder and has more low end and seems o have mre volume. My pianist can clearly hear the difference, and we are in a loud room.
I am not having a placebo effect, either. I have been using this for almost a year.
I am not having a placebo effect, either. I have been using this for almost a year.
Respect because you're playing an upright in your pic and you look like you have very good form
But if you knew which cable you were using, it could absolutely affect your perception of it. I'll be honest...there were a couple times I thought I heard improved sound from the ESP, but switching back to the cheapo proved me wrong. And I was wrong alot more often than I was right in that blind test my wife and I did. Yeah, I know it's not the Pro model, but again, the guy makes the same claims about all his cables so it's 100% relevant.
bongomania
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Robin Ruscio said:
No person is in a position to say "I am not having a placebo effect" unless there is measurable/documentable evidence outside that person's perceptions.
Look, I'm finishing my masters in psychotherapy right now. I can have a lengthy discussion with you about scientific psychological research and post modern theories on subjective and constructivist reality. Im aware of how placebo effects work. I have to write a critique on the validity of a measure of psychopathic tendencies tomorrow.
If this were anywhere close to being something that I might be lying to myself about, I'd be ther first to admit it.
What I find so incredulous in this discussion is that most of the people who are in disbelief are invalidating the experience owners of this cable are having. Please stop telling me I'm not hearing something that I know I am.
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