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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi Solo Tension

#47
If you want a synthetic core set, see if the Innovation Braided solo set is still available. The orchestral Braided are similar in tension to the Evah Weich.

The Solo high A might be aluminium wound. It was when the production was taking place in the UK.
Personally I try to stay away from aluminium wound strings, but that’s just me. I might accept it for a short time project.

Find a set where the medium strength orchestral set is OK for you and a solo set of the same family exists.

Lower tension solo strings might be hard to get. Solo playing should be loud to put the soloist in the foreground and that typically works better with higher tension strings.
 
#48
That the Innovation orchestral strings are low tension, that doesn’t mean, the solo version is olso low tension…
I use long time Obligato for long time, but now I consider the solo version of Obligato is different tension….

I didn’t know a string version of solo strings why doesn’t a same tension solo tuned, than the Orchestral version in Orchestral tuned!

My bass has high tension, thats why sounds fantastic in orchestral tuned…
Thats solo tuning is just a temporary project for me, but I like to survive without
inflammation of the tendon sheath….
 
#54
Two strings were very dark while two others were too bright.

Kaplan Solo Bass String Set | Orchestral | D'Addario

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Tension numbers are in pounds I guess.
 
#56
Barcza said:
That the Innovation orchestral strings are low tension, that doesn’t mean, the solo version is olso low tension…
I use long time Obligato for long time, but now I consider the solo version of Obligato is different tension….

I didn’t know a string version of solo strings why doesn’t a same tension solo tuned, than the Orchestral version in Orchestral tuned!

My bass has high tension, thats why sounds fantastic in orchestral tuned…
Thats solo tuning is just a temporary project for me, but I like to survive without
inflammation of the tendon sheath….
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The typical design of solo strings is same/similar tension to the orchestral set but on a higher pitch. Another design criterium on solo strings often is equal tension, sometimes even falling tension towards the lower strings, whereas in many cases the tension of strings rises towards the lower strings.

If you are used to synthetic core strings that have a larger diameter on the higher strings compared to steel core strings, steel core strings with their lower stretching (harder to press down) and thinner diameter might not be a good choice for you. (Thin low stretching strings cut into the fingers of your left hand.)

You can check how much you need to tune your existing Obligato orchestrals up to feel the same tension as the Obligato Solos before you buy.
Shouldn’t be more than a halftone which should not break the string. I think one of my formulas should be useable. If not try one with a few defining values until you come close to the solo string tension.

I think it might also help in which context you like to play the solo strings.

It is a theoretical solution but tension will be too low to be useful:
Use a bumped set (high C string tuned to A, G to E etc.). You can use the detune at -3 in the last version of the excel file for all strings. But the Obligato high C is rather high tension, so use something other like EP.
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
The typical design of solo strings is same/similar tension to the orchestral set but on a higher pitch. Another design criterium on solo strings often is equal tension, sometimes even falling tension towards the lower strings, whereas in many cases the tension of strings rises towards the lower strings.

If you are used to synthetic core strings that have a larger diameter on the higher strings compared to steel core strings, steel core strings with their lower stretching (harder to press down) and thinner diameter might not be a good choice for you. (Thin low stretching strings cut into the fingers of your left hand.)

You can check how much you need to tune your existing Obligato orchestrals up to feel the same tension as the Obligato Solos before you buy.
Shouldn’t be more than a halftone which should not break the string. I think one of my formulas should be useable. If not try one with a few defining values until you come close to the solo string tension.

I think it might also help in which context you like to play the solo strings.

It is a theoretical solution but tension will be too low to be useful:
Use a bumped set (high C string tuned to A, G to E etc.). You can use the detune at -3 in the last version of the excel file for all strings. But the Obligato high C is rather high tension, so use something other like EP.
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Thanks a lot for your answer!
Yeah, I also thinking on bumped set, in that case the diameter wil be smaller maybe similar to still string…
I can not spend lot of money for experimenting, and time is relatively short too. What solo strings do you thing the lowest tension on 108cm strings length?
 
#59
The lowest tension solo strings you can get are a gut set or Tempera (if available as a solo set) or other Genssler strings (2011 Sonores Solo or Drago Sonores Solo or Red Label Solo).
The tension of Jargar Dolce string at solo pitch is too high for your taste.
Other strings from Super Sensitive were discontinued (and I‘m not sure a solo set of them was available).

But I think the Braided Solos might be worth a try. Even though you might not find tension data, you can ask for it.
I was told that GHS has equipment for measuring the tension of DB strings.
Since you only need approximate data, they should be able to tell you.
The aluminium A is a good hint that the tension would not be high, and the stretching of the core should be close to the stretch of a gut string.
The only thing that may happen is a larger difference in tension between high A and E than between the lower strings.

A bumped set reduces tension drastically. And the reduced availability of high C strings reduces your options.
I don‘t like to go less than 20 kp which is a typical slap string tension. Better around 24 to 30 kp (lower strings).
I typically prefer 27 to 31 kp on my 110 cm scale. Lower range for steel core upper range for synthetic core. But I only play orchestral tuning.

And I found out that the tension of high C strings often don‘t fit the tension of the strings below. One more reason against a bumped set.

I‘m afraid not many may be able to help you.
If you are willing to accept a steel core, my idea would be Corelli 360M (26-27 kp @108cm), but Corelli strings are very thin and can cut into your flesh with a bit higher string action.

I still think that Obligato Solo E to F# with a fifth tuning Obligato A should be similar in tension to your orchestral Obligato set. What‘s the problem? Availability?
It’s almost always the problem that solo strings need to be ordered from the manufacturer by most retailers.
Genssler strings might have a long waiting time and can be rather expensive.

Compas 180 Solo might have been an option if they were still available, but since they are not and were originally developed by Gerold Genssler, the Genssler Red Label Solo might be a similar but enhanced set. (And they are a bit cheaper than the other gut core Genssler strings.)

You need to decide if the strings are available quick enough and how much they are allowed to bite in your wallet.
Only you can decide that.
 
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DoubleMIDI said:
The lowest tension solo strings you can get are a gut set or Tempera (if available as a solo set) or other Genssler strings (2011 Sonores Solo or Drago Sonores Solo or Red Label Solo).
The tension of Jargar Dolce string at solo pitch is too high for your taste.
Other strings from Super Sensitive were discontinued (and I‘m not sure a solo set of them was available).

But I think the Braided Solos might be worth a try. Even though you might not find tension data, you can ask for it.
I was told that GHS has equipment for measuring the tension of DB strings.
Since you only need approximate data, they should be able to tell you.
The aluminium A is a good hint that the tension would not be high, and the stretching of the core should be close to the stretch of a gut string.
The only thing that may happen is a larger difference in tension between high A and E than between the lower strings.

A bumped set reduces tension drastically. And the reduced availability of high C strings reduces your options.
I don‘t like to go less than 20 kp which is a typical slap string tension. Better around 24 to 30 kp (lower strings).
I typically prefer 27 to 31 kp on my 110 cm scale. Lower range for steel core upper range for synthetic core. But I only play orchestral tuning.

And I found out that the tension of high C strings often don‘t fit the tension of the strings below. One more reason against a bumped set.

I‘m afraid not many may be able to help you.
If you are willing to accept a steel core, my idea would be Corelli 360M (26-27 kp @108cm), but Corelli strings are very thin and can cut into your flesh with a bit higher string action.

I still think that Obligato Solo E to F# with a fifth tuning Obligato A should be similar in tension to your orchestral Obligato set. What‘s the problem? Availability?
It’s almost always the problem that solo strings need to be ordered from the manufacturer by most retailers.
Genssler strings might have a long waiting time and can be rather expensive.

Compas 180 Solo might have been an option if they were still available, but since they are not and were originally developed by Gerold Genssler, the Genssler Red Label Solo might be a similar but enhanced set. (And they are a bit cheaper than the other gut core Genssler strings.)

You need to decide if the strings are available quick enough and how much they are allowed to bite in your wallet.
Only you can decide that.
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Thank you for the lot of useful informations ! Yes me to, I like tension about 26-28kp, on my bass…I also interested on Genssler strings, but don’t find price and availability informations…
What do you think on D’addario Helicores solo? I used Helicores orchestral before, it was pretty good, seems pretty low tension in the exel file, and it has good price!
 
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