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Everyone's downsizing these days..

#161
greenboy said:
This could be considered a downsize from two 810 cabs. But don't let its petite 4-foot tall profile or its 90-pound weight fool you: with its immense power handling and excursion capabilities it isn't any less a earthquake than two 810 cabs. It actually goes lower too - and higher even when the tweet is turned off.

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Oh yeah, the Sterilizer ;) That's downsizing anyone should be able to live with easily!
 
#162
greenboy said:
This could be considered a downsize from two 810 cabs. But don't let its petite 4-foot tall profile or its 90-pound weight fool you: with its immense power handling and excursion capabilities it isn't any less a earthquake than two 810 cabs. It actually goes lower too - and higher even when the tweet is turned off.

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I actually noticed the bass before the rig. Lakland fiver with a maple board? That's a purty shootin' iron ya got there, Tex. :D
 
#163
I actually upsized a year ago and got an Ampeg 4x10 HLF with an SVT3 Pro. Not a monster rig but by no means small.

Over time my band has invested a lot of money into high end JBL pa speakers and floor wedges. We also all have in ear monitoring since we play to a click track + backing tracks.

Lately at rehearsal I have been running direct into the mixer. Just my Lakland 5501 into a Samsamp BDDI. My signal feeds into 2 or 3 JBL 15" Floor monitors and I also hear my bass in my in ears. Between the floor monitors - which reproduce bass extremely well - and my in ears I have more than I need to hear and feel the bass. For our next show I am thinking of leaving my entire rig at home and just going direct since we are supplying our own PA.

In case anybody is wondering I play in a Hard Rock power trio, very loud, intense drummer, lots of vocals, very melodic and loud.

In my opinion, you don't need a bass rig for live shows if you have the right monitoring equipment to rely on. The monitors/in-ears combo works great.
I still don't plan on getting rid of my rig though - I use it for recording and I know there will be gigs where we can't bring our own PA/monitoring. For those gigs I will dust off the Ampeg 1/2 stack :smug:
 
#164
I have no plans on downsizing my main rig, something about a big cab (like my current 6x10) that small setups can't match. A couple of 4x10s would make a nice stack, too, but one cab is very convenient.

I do however intend to get a second rig, probably a couple of 1x12s and a head. One of the micro amps would be nice, but I'll probably end up with a GK Backline or something instead.
 
#166
I saw a vid once of King Crimson. Tony Levin played his Chapman Stick and Music Man bass through a low-key Trace-Elliot rig, an 18 and a 2x10, powered by a TE head.

Here was a giant of the realm using a med-club rig on a big stage. Said enough to me! Again, a subjective thing mostly, but I found it interesting and enlightening.

Depending on how you handle it, there is evidently more than one way to give a cat a bath.
 
#167
fender_funk_man said:
two words Direct Input. House systems are often way more powerful then a single bass amp. I use an eden 2x10 and an ampeg head. I've never been lacking for volume and I've played in everything from punk bands to jazz.
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If there was a house system at every (any) venue I played I'd have an Avalon U5 and maybe a small powered wedge so I could be sure to hear (not feel but hear) myself at every gig.
 
#169
greenboy said:
This could be considered a downsize from two 810 cabs. But don't let its petite 4-foot tall profile or its 90-pound weight fool you: with its immense power handling and excursion capabilities it isn't any less a earthquake than two 810 cabs. It actually goes lower too - and higher even when the tweet is turned off.

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Must say...sweeet rig!!Sometimes I pair a 215 with my 810...Do I hear a sound off??;)
Awesome bass to match that rig roo.Must be thunderous...
 
#171
fender_funk_man said:
two words Direct Input. House systems are often way more powerful then a single bass amp. I use an eden 2x10 and an ampeg head. I've never been lacking for volume and I've played in everything from punk bands to jazz.
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No offense to you man, but ive been disapointed with litterally every use of a D.I setup I've ever played.Obviously big shows, I'll have PA support(D.I out of my amp and/or miked up) but *just* D.I ,for me, has never cut the mustard.Lacks tones and oomph to me if it's just D.I.
Especially with a distortion pedal,which I use,....sounds very tinny and buzzy with no balls.


A milions factors too..."bad" soundman,gear,etc.Glad it works for you though...:cool:
 
#172
If you use in-ear monitors and have solid PA support, you don't need to have a big stage rig. I highly recommend the in-ear monitors for 4 reasons:

[1] The most obvious reason is the wear and tear on your ears. Our drummer plays loud and the cymbals would cause my ears to ring for a couple of days after a gig. Our guitar player already has tinnitus which is what motivated us to do this. Do it before you damage your hearing.

[2] You can hear yourself so much better and it really makes you a better player IMHO. I use a small Rolls mixer that I run my bass and vocal mic through, and then a third input has a send from the main FOH mixer. This lets you create your own personal mix.

[3] Less stage volume permits your sound engineer to have total control of the mix, so the overall band mix to the FOH is much better too. Your sound guy can always turn you up in the mix, but has no control if your stage rig is too loud.

[4] Faster and easier load-in and out since you have less gear to carry. All you need is a smaller amp for a stage monitor and to give it some thump.
 
#173
That's just it though. Sometimes I, and I suspect many other players, get together for a jam, and the only PA available is barely adequet for vocals. You gotta have a big ballsy bass rig if you want to be heard. Plus, the places where I gig in Dallas, you have about a 50% chance that the room has a killer PA, with side fills. Obviously, you'd want to carry in the least amount of gear to get the job done, but sometimes, unless you've got a big rig, you're screwed. I'm all for the new lightweight stuff, I got a neo loaded 2x12 and 13 lb head for 2 reasons, and weight was one of them. But there are many times, when nothing but a big heavy beast will get you where you want to go. I suspect that may be why some amp makers still offer the "old fashioned" heavy gear. I know I couldn't live without mine.
 
#174
iridiumrocks said:
You can hear yourself so much better and it really makes you a better player IMHO. I use a small Rolls mixer that I run my bass and vocal mic through, and then a third input has a send from the main FOH mixer. This lets you create your own personal mix.
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After my back injury and surgery, I went from a Trace Elliott rig to a tube DI with a Sansamp and relying on monitors for a couple of years. Then I discovered in ears and haven't looked back.

I have a small mixer in my rack that takes a monitor feed and mixes it with my bass (phase switch to ensure it works). The signal from that gets sent to my in-ears and more recently, I have a buttkicker attached to my stool for when the back is really acting up to get the BASS going...this has had several positive effects:

1) The front of house mix is improved and there actually is bass in it, our soundguy is really happy that he can get a decent blend.
2) My tinnitus has all but disappeared as I am not exposed to high sound pressure levels.
3) I have focused more on my playing clean while performing for the crowd as I can hear everything cleanly and it has improved my technique markedly...

The buttkicker works really well to translate the bass frequencies and I'm looking at getting a floor transducer to see if it would work as well...
 
#176
I play metal said:
Must say...sweeet rig!!Sometimes I pair a 215 with my 810...Do I hear a sound off??;)
Awesome bass to match that rig roo.Must be thunderous...
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That's a fEarful 1515/66, and I'm pretty sure it would flatten a standard 8x10 with a standard 2x15. Only Vlad can say for sure with this one (its his), but I'm guessing with about 2Kw of power it would flatten a house.
 
#177
Geddy upsized from small dryers to big roasters.

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#178
iridiumrocks said:
If you use in-ear monitors and have solid PA support, you don't need to have a big stage rig. I highly recommend the in-ear monitors for 4 reasons:

[1] The most obvious reason is the wear and tear on your ears. Our drummer plays loud and the cymbals would cause my ears to ring for a couple of days after a gig. Our guitar player already has tinnitus which is what motivated us to do this. Do it before you damage your hearing.

[2] You can hear yourself so much better and it really makes you a better player IMHO. I use a small Rolls mixer that I run my bass and vocal mic through, and then a third input has a send from the main FOH mixer. This lets you create your own personal mix.

[3] Less stage volume permits your sound engineer to have total control of the mix, so the overall band mix to the FOH is much better too. Your sound guy can always turn you up in the mix, but has no control if your stage rig is too loud.

[4] Faster and easier load-in and out since you have less gear to carry. All you need is a smaller amp for a stage monitor and to give it some thump.
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