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Explain me the 'Fender is God' thing

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Everyone has really made the points. Leo Fender invented the bass guitar. It didn't exist before Leo. Simple as that. He also managed to set many of the "standards" for the instrument (34 inch scale, 4 string (at least at first), tuning, etc).

Finally, he developed two of the most successful designs in all of modern instruments - the Precision Bass, and the Jazz Bass (And the Strat & the Tele but that's bringing in Guitars).

The bass owes more to Leo than even guitars because while Leo pushed solid body electrics forward by a huge margin - he flat out invented the bass guitar. In fact, in most early recordings the reference is not to "the bass" or "the bass guitar" - but to the "Fender Bass". The entire instrument was synonymous with Fender for the first decade of its existence.

Finally, because of all this (as many have noted) the instrument is the most recorded, most photographed and most played manufacturer of bass guitars by a country mile. I wouldn't be shocked if there were more Fenders than the next 5 manufacturers combined. I don't know that - I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked.

Having said all that I don't have one anymore. Why is that?

Well, I used to. The trouble with Fenders I find is that they are mass produced in huge huge quantities. Someone once said to me that 9 in 10 Fenders are "ok" and 1 in 10 is magical. I'm kind of guessing that's true. The ones I've had have been "ok", but I know that there are indeed "magical" Fenders out there.

For my fretted bass I've moved on to Fender 2.0 - Musicman. I call it Fender 2.0 because (as has been said already) it was also invented by the mighty Leo Fender - after he sold Fender Inc. to CVS. In some ways you could say it's still a Fender. What attracts me is that (mine at least) really is magical. Maybe I got lucky or maybe most Musicmans are built that way. I don't know. Perhaps it doesn't matter.

Bottom line, most people who have found magical Fenders will never give them up. But play before you buy and know that there are other terrific choices out there. This isn't 1951 anymore.
 
I'm just the opposite. I think Fenders have a classic look that's just "right." Ibanez basses look cheap and "wrong" to me. Strangely, I don't feel the same way about their guitars. I DO think Fender guitars have a similar "right" look, but Ibanez guitars don't bother me the way their basses do.


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I do, however agree that the Ibanez guitars are amazing. RG's = the best in the world.

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I've been poking around music stores in search for the ultimate 5 string, and everywhere I go somebody, be it hired help or just interested parties is trying to jam some Fender or another down my throat. Just so's you know, I only looked at the higher end models, so no Squires. Sorry, give me made here or go away, anyway, under the 'bang for your buck' in looks, finish, playability,weight I find they're wanting, not to mention the damn things eat up a lot of real estate. So someone explain why all the hype? Or has Uncle Leo worked the hoodoo on you too?

Well a whole bunch of other people found them wanting too. Until recently, the build quality of Fender was pretty mediocre and back in the 60's and 70's it was really pretty bad. They may be worth 10 grand nowadays but getting through a gig with audible notes on one is just as hard and painful today as it was back then. Except now you'd be out 10 large rather than 6 months of paper route/part time job savings.....

Today, witness the clone market - lots of companies have made fortunes making Jazz and Precision copies for players that wanted the good stuff of a J or P but just better made than the Fender, i.e. sadowskys, lakland and on and on. They have the Fender design but are vastly better made and even some boutique-y features too.

Finally, its worth noting that Leo Fender himself wasn't too happy with them either. He finally updated them himself with the G&L line of basses. The L2000 is the ultimate Fender Precision or Jazz (depending on what neck you get) with all of Leo's own supe ups.
You can go get a brand new MIA (or even a tribute) G&L for 1000 to 1500 bucks and it'll be a true Fender with zounds better quality and sound than any vintage Fender.

So yeah I'm with you on the hype, but it's mostly hype.

Though I have to say the 2008 models are some of the best instruments Fender has ever made. Definitely look at their 5 strings, they're pretty nice.

But don't be afraid of a copy like the sadowsky's etc. Those are really nice instruments in their own right. I'm partial to G&L if you're really a Leo Fender fan. They really are his best instruments.

LS
 
I've been poking around music stores in search for the ultimate 5 string, and everywhere I go somebody, be it hired help or just interested parties is trying to jam some Fender or another down my throat. Just so's you know, I only looked at the higher end models, so no Squires. Sorry, give me made here or go away, anyway, under the 'bang for your buck' in looks, finish, playability,weight I find they're wanting, not to mention the damn things eat up a lot of real estate. So someone explain why all the hype? Or has Uncle Leo worked the hoodoo on you too?

I wouldnt be able to find a 5 string Fender I liked either if I were looking for a new one.

Try to find a used Roscoe Beck 5'er to try out.IMHO,one of the best passive 5's ever made.

Looking for active electronics and tight string spacing?
Not so much.......
 
Without a doubt Fender deserves credit and compliments for both the Jazz and Precision they're great basses, I've owned 2 J's and and a P as well as a Musicman Cutlass and a Sabre. All were fine instruments, sadly for me I just didn't *feel* them, the magic so many find wasn't there for me.
I think of Fender as iconic in the world of bass guitars and its well earned and respected.................
That said Fender isn't God, and I worship elsewhere.........
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you've never been hired to do a recording session or backing gig for someone else.

Because if you had you wouldn't be so baffled about this.

Walk into a dance rehearsal wearing combat boots instead of toe shoes...

Walk onto a construction site wearing a beret instead of a hardhat...

Walk into a biker bar wearing a tutu instead of a leather jacket...

See if it makes things easier, or harder :)

Swing and a miss on the recording front, as for the rest, damn have you been following me around??!!?/ ...LOL
 
Fender is the most represented brand is basses/guitars for several reasons. First I'd say tradition, its been a major brand since the beginning.
And they have some good advertisments and invest good money in publicity (Which I believe is the major factor).
Also since they are such a huge firm they can afford to have a broad selection of instruments in a broad price range and still have atleast decent quality.
 
Everyone has really made the points. Leo Fender invented the bass guitar. It didn't exist before Leo. Simple as that. He also managed to set many of the "standards" for the instrument (34 inch scale, 4 string (at least at first), tuning, etc).

Finally, he developed two of the most successful designs in all of modern instruments - the Precision Bass, and the Jazz Bass (And the Strat & the Tele but that's bringing in Guitars).

The bass owes more to Leo than even guitars because while Leo pushed solid body electrics forward by a huge margin - he flat out invented the bass guitar. In fact, in most early recordings the reference is not to "the bass" or "the bass guitar" - but to the "Fender Bass". The entire instrument was synonymous with Fender for the first decade of its existence.

Finally, because of all this (as many have noted) the instrument is the most recorded, most photographed and most played manufacturer of bass guitars by a country mile. I wouldn't be shocked if there were more Fenders than the next 5 manufacturers combined. I don't know that - I'm just saying I wouldn't be shocked.

Having said all that I don't have one anymore. Why is that?

Well, I used to. The trouble with Fenders I find is that they are mass produced in huge huge quantities. Someone once said to me that 9 in 10 Fenders are "ok" and 1 in 10 is magical. I'm kind of guessing that's true. The ones I've had have been "ok", but I know that there are indeed "magical" Fenders out there.

For my fretted bass I've moved on to Fender 2.0 - Musicman. I call it Fender 2.0 because (as has been said already) it was also invented by the mighty Leo Fender - after he sold Fender Inc. to CVS. In some ways you could say it's still a Fender. What attracts me is that (mine at least) really is magical. Maybe I got lucky or maybe most Musicmans are built that way. I don't know. Perhaps it doesn't matter.

Bottom line, most people who have found magical Fenders will never give them up. But play before you buy and know that there are other terrific choices out there. This isn't 1951 anymore.


Interesting read. LOL! :)

First, Leo didn't invent the electric bass guitar. I'm sure most posters here are well aware of that.

Paul Tutmarc had an electirc bass guitar on the market in the mid 1930's, predating Fender by a good many years.
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Leo's version was certainly the first commercialy successful Electric bass. No one will dispute that . ;)

ALSO... Leo sold the Fender company to ....
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That one gave me a good chuckle. Yup those Pre CVS Fenders are EXTREEEEEEEMLY rare :)
 
Interesting read. LOL! :)

First, Leo didn't invent the electric bass guitar. I'm sure most posters here are well aware of that.

Paul Tutmarc had an electirc bass guitar on the market in the mid 1930's, predating Fender by a good many years.
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Leo's version was certainly the first commercialy successful Electric bass. No one will dispute that . ;)

ALSO... Leo sold the Fender company to ....
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:D

That one gave me a good chuckle. Yup those Pre CVS Fenders are EXTREEEEEEEMLY rare :)


Alright, typo bad. I couldn't remember if it was CVS or Walgreens. :rolleyes:

In terms of inventing the electric bass guitar - I stand by my statement. There were previous versions (Ampeg = Amp + Peg for example) but everything we know about today's bass guitar was established and standardized by Leo. The scale, the # of strings, the tuning, solid body, played like a guitar vs a double bass, etc. etc. etc. He mass produced it, he marketed it, he established it in the industry and the world. Virtually single handedly. Again, that's why it was called the "Fender Bass" for so many years. Give the guy credit where it's due. For all intents & purposes Leo Fender invented the bass guitar.
 
Interesting read. LOL! :)

First, Leo didn't invent the electric bass guitar. I'm sure most posters here are well aware of that.

Paul Tutmarc had an electirc bass guitar on the market in the mid 1930's, predating Fender by a good many years.

Leo's version was certainly the first commercialy successful Electric bass. No one will dispute that . ;)

ALSO... Leo sold the Fender company to ....

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:D

That one gave me a good chuckle. Yup those Pre CVS Fenders are EXTREEEEEEEMLY rare :)

I don't believe thats what he wanted to say in his post. Face it, Leo Fender invented the first commercially viable/succesfull bass guitar. Thats not just an opinion thats a fact.
 
I've been poking around music stores in search for the ultimate 5 string, and everywhere I go somebody, be it hired help or just interested parties is trying to jam some Fender or another down my throat...

They're called: drones. :rolleyes:

If someone is going to push any brand name on me, they had better know my playing style and tone goals really well. As in: better than most of the folks I gig with. And they'd better know all the different models and options and such. Otherwise, I might just have to assume that he/she is yammering away without knowing what the #:eek:#:eek: he/she is talking about. ;)
 
I personally have one p bass 2008 and one tony franklin 2008 p basses very nice instruments. Sound wise they do the job if you want variety however get your hands on a G&L Tribute or SB-2. Fender is the foundation not the end of it all. There are some great basses out there at a fraction of the price that do the job just as well. If you play straight into an amp with compressor and no effects Fender is still king of tone IMO.

Peace and lets let Leo rest in peace and give him credit where it is due.
 
Alright, typo bad. I couldn't remember if it was CVS or Walgreens. :rolleyes:
Funny typo none the less. :)
. Give the guy credit where it's due. For all intents & purposes Leo Fender invented the bass guitar.

I'll certainly give credit where credit is due, as C.L. Fender is probably one of the only people I would ever list as a personal "hero" of mine. They guy was a genius IMO.


However, the Tutmarc Electric bass of the mid 30's was indeed a solid body electric bass guitar, designed to be played horizontaly like a guitar, not upright like the Ampeg or a few other electric uprights of the same time. Credit really needs to be given there too. ;)

Also for the record, I've been playing P basses for over 27 years now. Can't live without one. :)
 
I was at the pawn shop the other day, looking for interesting pedals in the glass case, when I noticed 3 used Guitar Hero controllers; one Kramer superstrat and two Fender strats. The Kramer was $10.99, and the Fenders were $49 and $59.....now, how in the world can there be a 500-600% difference in Kramer and Fender Guitar Hero controllers?
 
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