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FAKE SPECTOR ON EBAY !

#45
A couple of things... Spector makes guitars in both China and Korea. And when Kramer owned Spector, they made guitars, thru-neck full NS curved bodies in both Korea and Japan.

So it's not too difficult to picture someone with a fairly advanced woodshop getting ahold of the form measurements and punching out their own with ease.

The question is, regardless of who owns the rights to the design, it undermines Spector's ability to reasonably market and sell their own products if a seemingly similar product is available for less.

Ned Steinberger had a similar fight with a Japanese knockoff of his original bass design back in the 1980's called a Brianberger of all things.

If you admire Spector basses and want to do the right thing. Never buy counterfits or forgeries. Stuart and crew have worked too hard to build for us the Spector bass to dishonor their name and buy fakes, undermining their copyright.

Besides, did anyone stop to think that this is a complete scam. They are in China. You see a deal that's too good to be true and usually it is. Say they sell 100 of these guitars this month at a few hundred a pop. That's a lot of cash. And by the time you get your fake or whatever it is... which could be nothing... it's too late to do anything about it.

Buy reputable or don't buy. You always end up getting what you pay for.
 
#46
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#49
bongomania said:
So your theory is that he buys legitimate, real Gibsons and Jacksons, removes the legitimate headstock logo, and sells them for below cost?
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I don't want to speak for the other poster... but to me, this looks like he's doing one of the following:

1) Using photos of real instruments to approximate what his knock-offs will look like.

2) He's doing legit business in China, selling real instruments there and making knock-offs in the back room for online quick sales.

3) He's also dealing in complete forgeries and he's smart enough to not market them on Ebay, but not smart enough to doctor all of his photos so we can see his branded fakes in their boxes.

4) He's really the devil and this entire Ebay thing is how he gets you to sell him your soul... by offering you the forbidden fruit of knock-offs, forgeries and fakes... and you have to decide if you want to give up your soul to save some money and buy them, thus hurting legit manufacturers like Jackson, Gibson and Spector.

I like number 4 personally. But I concede there might be a very slight chance that it could be options 1,2 or 3. But not likely.
 
#50
MusicManLN3 said:
I don't know what my theory is, but something about all of his "business" is just wrong.
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It's actually very clear what his business is.

The only thing that can be perceived as wrong is the business ethics, unauthorized copies. But there is nothing illegal.

No scamming buyers either. Clearly indicated that the products are cheap copies.

edit: "nothing illegal" is probably not exactly true, maybe someone experienced with international business laws, import and export, legal issues with internet sales can chime in




If I were to buy a cheap copy from this seller, and I discover it is the real thing...
... yeah, then that's a scam.
Although I wouldn't be angry at all in that event.

If you know of someone selling a Hiwatt amp at cheap knockoff price and advertised as knockoff, but is actually the real thing.
Let me know, I'll gladly be scammed then.
 
#51
JPSBassist said:
I don't want to speak for the other poster... but to me, this looks like he's doing one of the following:

1) Using photos of real instruments to approximate what his knock-offs will look like.

2) He's doing legit business in China, selling real instruments there and making knock-offs in the back room for online quick sales.

3) He's also dealing in complete forgeries and he's smart enough to not market them on Ebay, but not smart enough to doctor all of his photos so we can see his branded fakes in their boxes.

4) He's really the devil and this entire Ebay thing is how he gets you to sell him your soul... by offering you the forbidden fruit of knock-offs, forgeries and fakes... and you have to decide if you want to give up your soul to save some money and buy them, thus hurting legit manufacturers like Jackson, Gibson and Spector.

I like number 4 personally. But I concede there might be a very slight chance that it could be options 1,2 or 3. But not likely.
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I don't think "online quick sales" will hurt estabilished companies like Gibson, Spector and Jackson much.
I'm not defending blatant copies though.


Besides, Gibson for example doesn't need someone to help them going down the drain. They are pretty capable to do that themself.

;)
 
#57
Jackson is owned by Fender. Do they manufacture their guitars in China? Something is odd about this. Take a look here:

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Here's another website with almost exactly the same wording selling "100% ORIGIANL" Gibsons: Invalid Link Removed

Both are claiming they are overstock from Chinese production. Interesting, consider neither Jackson or Gibson produce instruments in China. It's pretty apparent that this guy works for a company making knock-offs. That's why he isn't showing headstocks in any of his photos.
 
#58
NS2A said:
Selling unauthorized copies is illegal.
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btw, you didn't see my edit.


And nope, not illegal. Illegal meaning you violate a law that you are in the jurisdiction (sp?) of.
This builder has no laws over him preventing his way of business..
Quite simple, if the law to break doesn't exist, you can't break it

Don't confuse illegal with immoral and bad ethics.
Don't confuse business with passion.
 
#59
Doing a search on some of these Chinese trade sites is a riot. I did a search for "bass" and found Rickenbacher, Stingray, Fender... my favorite was a Fender American Deluxe with this winning copy:

"The choice of woods: most of our guitars are made of mahogany. There are also some guitar are made of maple.
The density and width of every piece of wood is different. So, it is inevitable that there will be some blemish on the guitars. When selling this kind of guitars, you can transform this disadvantage to advantage, you could tell your customer that every guitar has its unique outside and tone colour."
 
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FunkMetalBass said:
Who here is brave enough to take the plunge? Any takers? Should we do what we did with WishBass and have everybody contribute $25 to pay for the bass, then ship it around?
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Im working with a company to get a copy of a 4003 at the moment.

I'd love to get a new one, but im a student, and in Australia you are looking at 3 grand for a second hand one...

I'll hopefully be posting a review on it when it turns up.. if? Its a bit of a gamble, but ill see how it pans out. As far as i can tell they use reasonable quality wood, and most of the hardwear is korean rather than chinese.
 

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