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fEARful™ Part Eleven (11)

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The 18sound 6ND410 6" woofers are being sold for $130.00 at some stores. I found this on ebay and I thought it could be a good tip for you guys:
Eighteen Sound 6ND410 6.5 mid range | eBay
1 pair for $120.00 ($60.00 each).
I have no affiliation with the seller - I'm far away from USA... I'm actually wanting to buy from him too, but I don't think he'll agree to ship overseas.

Wishes, :bassist:
Marcos
 
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MPSGODOY said:
The 18sound 6ND410 6" woofers are being sold for $130.00 at some stores. I found this on ebay and I thought it could be a good tip for you guys:
Eighteen Sound 6ND410 6.5 mid range | eBay
1 pair for $120.00 ($60.00 each).
I have no affiliation with the seller - I'm far away from USA... I'm actually wanting to buy from him too, but I don't think he'll agree to ship overseas.

Wishes, :bassist:
Marcos
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If you only need one, find someone in the US who also does. Have that person order the pair, then ship one to you.
 
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#26
speaking of mid drivers, I'm trying to decide if my new build will need a tweeter.

can you guys tell how high content is in the 6ND410 vs. a tweeter?

ideally, i'd like to build a fearful with a tweeter that has a defeat switch. however, since this will be my first build, i'm thinking it may be best to keep it as simple as possible.
 
#27
My BFM 3 way cabs I built were designed as a full range cab, so I included the tweeter. But I find I really don't need the tweeters for electric bass. I'll end up using those cabs for PA support. The fearful's I'm building will be woofer and mid only, as they will be dedicated bass cabs. IMO, no tweeter needed if the design includes a midrange driver. Keep it simple.
 
#28
While I don't miss having a tweeter in my 15/6, and I know a lot of guys feel the same way, I don't know that I can agree with the assessment that YOU won't miss it...if you like some top end "air" on your sound...the stuff well above string noise.

It really depends upon what you like to hear.

...the 6" 18 sound driver is good up to about 5khz IIRC.
 
#29
jeff5311 said:
speaking of mid drivers, I'm trying to decide if my new build will need a tweeter.

can you guys tell how high content is in the 6ND410 vs. a tweeter?

ideally, i'd like to build a fearful with a tweeter that has a defeat switch. however, since this will be my first build, i'm thinking it may be best to keep it as simple as possible.
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...and... it would be pretty easy to add a tweeter bypass...like really easy. Don't let that scare you.

...Or you could bypass it at your amp. Most amps have a little control thingy that lets you turn back the highs...
 
#31
jeff5311 said:
cool BurningSkies... thanks for the input! you've convinced me.

if I'm going to build it, as may as well build it right (with a tweeter and tweeter bypass).
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While for me a tweeter is useless and the 18Sound mid goes plenty high, I will say that the recommended tweeter isn't the crap you find in most all commercial cabs either.

It's really personal preference.
 
#32
I did the tweeter with the 15/6/1. It was too cool looking to pass up, and the parts, driver,wave guide and hardware were less than $40.

I run it off the GK 1001 biamp section, 50 watts at 8 ohm, and it is totally independent from the rest of the cab. 5K and up. I can roll back highs on the mid driver and ad back super high content with the horn. There is a lot of overlap with the 18sound. The Eminence 1001 driver is not your usual crappy tweeter.

I have mixed feelings about how much I need this kind of thing, but it's still cool to have it to mess with. I can hear the difference with and with out, but it's not a big deal for most of what I play. The butt kicking lows and solid thump of the low mids were what I was after.

With or without, there are tons of highs.
 
#33
I was surprised at how much of what I thought of as "highs" were covered by the mid. I wouldn't bother with a tweet unless you plan to use it for something besides live backline for electric bass. In that spirit, you're better off putting the saved $ into duratex or removable casters.
 
#37
Queg said:
Lol re tweeter.

Let's get some perspective:
Electric guitar speakers don't reproduce frequencies higher than the 18sound mid.
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Lol re:guitar speakers

We're not building guitar speakers (see, it's a closed back?). Most guitar rigs don't have tweeters, but a good portion of bass cabinets do, and a good portion of bass players have come to want and rely on them for "their" sound. I'm not one of them, but there are plenty that do.

Thus, if you're contemplating a build and you're second guessing whether you want one or not, you might as well put one in. It will save you the trouble down the line if you have ANY question that you might use it.

When it comes to buying or building gear, there's no good excuse to limit your options if you're not sure where the future is going to take you or what kind of sound or music you may end up playing. By discounting an option now, you may find that you've caused yourself more trouble and cost later on.

If you have it and you don't want to use it, you flip the switch. If you don't have in and you DO want it... :crying:
 
#38
Sorry to all for the attitude.
Point being that bass guitars are far lower on the frequency spectrum than electric guitars, yet for some reason we've been deluded into believing we need bass cabs to reproduce frequencies much higher than a guitar.

I believe this is misguided residue from cab companies trying to fool us into buying "hifi" cabs by adding a cheapo tweeter and calling it full range, when what we really needed all along was better mids reproduction.

Sure, there's some "air" up there on a bass (as long as your circuit is dead quiet, in which case you're really just hearing hiss), and that might be nice for a solo situation in a dead quiet acoustic concert setting (ie not a bustling coffee shop or even the typical jazz club). But I don't believe anyone could hear the difference in ensemble playing.
 
#39
The upper harmonic structure of a bass guitar is much more melodious than the upper harmonic structure of distorted electric guitar. Or so says my cat, who runs from the room when I put on a Steve Morse CD but will sit curled up all day listening to Michael Manring solo. And it takes a lot more tweet to reproduce that Michael Manring CD.
 
#40
The bass has a much wider sonic footprint than guitar, they go a lot lower but have plenty of high content too. As such, if people want to reproduce that, its possible for them to do so. Of course, amp and speaker technology took its own sweet time to develop into something that can comfortably cover both ends of the spectrum, so many of us are happy and used to not having that content, and much of our music is formulated and arranged around us not having it.

Even if I choose not to have anything above 5Khz in my signal, I think we do a disservice to those who might by trying to dissuade anyone who's considering it.
 
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