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fEARful™ Part Eleven (11)

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Are there any amps which people have noted that work particularly well/poorly with these cabs?

If you are not adverse to hauling a bigger head around, I think that the Carvin B1500 pairs up really well with these cabs, and it certainly won't break the bank. I have not tried its "replacement" the B2000 outside of NAMM, but it should also be a very good contender. The BX1500 offers more options/tone controls, but not as clean of a signal path, relative to the B2000, and is another great choice.

On the small head front, I've had decent results with the Markbass F500 and Orange Terror Bass 500, but my personal fave is the GK MB500 (or MB Fusion). Those GK's just totally kick, and their tone profile pairs up well with the fEARfuls, IMHO.

Tom.
 
hmmm.... so i've read allot more just now and the cabs seem great.

However I can't see the point in them in a band context?

Sure if you're pulling off solo work then i'd guess they're amazing.
In a band context you might as well not have a rig and dial straight into the PA with a monitor stack in ear shot and spend the cash on an awesome amp/bass?

IME there are several advantages in a band situation with decent PA support:
1. There's less conflict between the PA sound and any stage sound that bleeds into the room if I play a "little too loud".
2. The monitor cabs on stage don't need to be large enough the reproduce bass frequencies.
3. Because my stage sound is closely matched to the FOH, I can send a post-EQ signal to the board and be reasonably sure that the audience hears what I want them to hear.
4. The rest of the band can hear me better without inviting volume wars
5. What I hear out of my cab doesn't change much when I move around on stage.
6. I can move a lot of air with a cab that takes up very little space.
 
hmmm.... so i've read allot more just now and the cabs seem great.

However I can't see the point in them in a band context?

Sure if you're pulling off solo work then i'd guess they're amazing.
In a band context you might as well not have a rig and dial straight into the PA with a monitor stack in ear shot and spend the cash on an awesome amp/bass?

I suppose in smaller gigs where you just have a PA for vocals then it makes sense or if you just want to make your own cab (which I imagine is a good enough reason in itself).

I'm not sure if this is a fad that'll blow over or not yet personally...

The band context is the whole point of their design. Very few players are using only IEM's. Using a bass rig as an onstage monitor for bass is typical for about 95% of the working players out there. The problem with most cabs is off axis response. Most cabs can be dialed in to sound great, but only if you stand right in front of them. Even then they may only sound great until you need them to really put out some serious volume if needed.

So let's say your rig does sound great to you onstage. what about everyone else? What about your fellow bandmates? How well do they hear you? What about the audience? And it's pure nonsense if one thinks that stage sound doesn't bleed into the room and conflict with the FOH sound. How many bands play in a soundproof room onstage?

A lot of rigs sound great to the player only and can sound like crap to everyone else. At higher volume gigs, those same great sounding rigs can be a major pain to the soundman who is trying to get the bass to sound better than the mud that is emanating from the stage. And at best, even if the bass rig sounds great out front, from the stage, most of the time it sounds that way in only certain parts of the room.

fEARfuls were designed to make bass sound great anywhere onstage or the room. Best off-axis response. Deep clear lows, mids with clarity and the ability to remain that way even at high volume.

Just like when the dinosaurs ruled the earth and all there was, was the giant SVT fridge, and then along came 410's and 210's, and of late the lightweight heads, it's definitely not a fad. It is a paradigm shift in how bass is amplified. It's about bass players tossing out the old notion that "Nobody but bass players care how bass sounds". They do care and fEARfuls are in response to that. It's about bass players dropping the selfish attitude that "It sounds good to me and that's good enough". It's about getting your sound out to everyone in the clearest way possible. It's about taking a professional attitude in the way high quality sound system engineers have been caring about for eons and finally applying it to bass. Two or three way systems have been around for a long time. NOT with these drivers, crossover and this design they haven't.
 
Well i've been in a position where i've lent an Aguilar GS series cab and a GK RB-II rig to a friend when he needed it, this had no problem with off axis response while I was in the crowd since I obviously know what it sounds like up close. I also feel that anything past the upper-mid segment of the cab market doesn't suffer greatly from this issue (depending on the amp/bass of course), i've certainly not heard problems with Bergantino/Schroeder/Aguilar...etc cabs in rigs i've experienced.

Really I think i'm just going to have to take the plunge and build one of these and A/B it against my current cab which is a Goliath Snr 6x10 because I really don't see how the mid/horn can keep this full range of sound off axis you speak of from a reasonable distance away.... simply just because of the way sound travels and is absorbed by its surroundings.

I'm happy to be proved wrong ;)
 
Well i've been in a position where i've lent an Aguilar GS series cab and a GK RB-II rig to a friend when he needed it, this had no problem with off axis response while I was in the crowd since I obviously know what it sounds like up close. I also feel that anything past the upper-mid segment of the cab market doesn't suffer greatly from this issue (depending on the amp/bass of course), i've certainly not heard problems with Bergantino/Schroeder/Aguilar...etc cabs in rigs i've experienced.

Really I think i'm just going to have to take the plunge and build one of these and A/B it against my current cab which is a Goliath Snr 6x10 because I really don't see how the mid/horn can keep this full range of sound off axis you speak of from a reasonable distance away.... simply just because of the way sound travels and is absorbed by its surroundings.

I'm happy to be proved wrong ;)

Any side by side speaker configuration is going to be less than ideal off axis. Just the nature of the beast, be it 210, 410, 610 or 810 cabs. Even if they sound good otherwise.
 
Any side by side speaker configuration is going to be less than ideal off axis. Just the nature of the beast, be it 210, 410, 610 or 810 cabs. Even if they sound good otherwise.

Well I can listen to them off axis can't I, by your definition if I am behind both speakers the fearful should produce a tone which I can hear that sounds more complete than the SWR?
 
Any mids/highs you hear from behind any cab will be the result of room reflections.

See this: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] for dispersion characteristics of drivers. Placing drivers side-by-side decreases dispersion even more.
 
I'm finishing up my second 12/6 (a prototype of this kit from Speaker hardware: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]

I used 1/4" grid galvanized screen for the grill on my first 12/6 (see my entry in the fEARful wiki) and am not happy with it, so I'm thinking about putting round grills on both it and the new cab. I read in one of the reviews on Parts Express that the 6" grills sold there don't fit an Alpha 6.

Anyone have any other suggestions?
 
If you are not adverse to hauling a bigger head around, I think that the Carvin B1500 pairs up really well with these cabs, and it certainly won't break the bank. I have not tried its "replacement" the B2000 outside of NAMM, but it should also be a very good contender. The BX1500 offers more options/tone controls, but not as clean of a signal path, relative to the B2000, and is another great choice.

On the small head front, I've had decent results with the Markbass F500 and Orange Terror Bass 500, but my personal fave is the GK MB500 (or MB Fusion). Those GK's just totally kick, and their tone profile pairs up well with the fEARfuls, IMHO.

Tom.

The small heads that you mention are all 300 watters, IIRC . Is that enough to drive a 15/6/1 on a reasonably loud gig? I'm actually gonna try a GKRB700II, once mine is finished and shipped. Also, I'm curios if anyone uses a stand for their 15/6/1, or tilts/raises it up onstage ?
 
The small heads that you mention are all 300 watters, IIRC . Is that enough to drive a 15/6/1 on a reasonably loud gig? I'm actually gonna try a GKRB700II, once mine is finished and shipped. Also, I'm curios if anyone uses a stand for their 15/6/1, or tilts/raises it up onstage ?

I use to always tilt, or put my cabs up on a stand. My fEARful 15/6 sounds crystal clear and as loud as I could want it, right on the floor not tilted. The dispersion of the mids of the 18Sound is so clear in all directions. Even the grill standoff cutout above the mid accounts for this (so as not to block or reflect the sound coming off the mid).

The only reason I could see for tilting the cab or putting it up on a stand is if you want your eardrums split. Seriously. There is no need to augment the cab to hear it better as one is want to do with other designs.

As to power, it depends on your volume needs and how one uses the gain structure on their amp.
 
I use to always tilt, or put my cabs up on a stand. My fEARful 15/6 sounds crystal clear and as loud as I could want it, right on the floor not tilted. The dispersion of the mids of the 18Sound is so clear in all directions. Even the grill standoff cutout above the mid accounts for this (so as not to block or reflect the sound coming off the mid).

The only reason I could see for tilting the cab or putting it up on a stand is if you want your eardrums split. Seriously. There is no need to augment the cab to hear it better as one is want to do with other designs.

As to power, it depends on your volume needs and how one uses the gain structure on their amp.

Thanks. I always go for clean power onstage, no pedals, no distortion, etc. I don't even try to get the famous GK "growl ", either. For some reason, the RB700II is the loudest 320 watt bass amp I've ever heard ( set cleanly ), but, I've also read in other threads that the fEarfuls like alot of power to really do their thing.
 
Well I can listen to them off axis can't I, by your definition if I am behind both speakers the fearful should produce a tone which I can hear that sounds more complete than the SWR?

The fEARful design eliminates phase cancellation, nulls and voids in the room caused by speaker alignment.

It took me years to convince my band to stop splitting the subs up and placing one on each side of the stage. We now keep our subs together. Why? Because when split apart there were places in the room where the low end almost disappeared entirely, even while sounding great in other parts of the room.

Same thing applies to bass cabs and the sound they produce. A 210 will sound better throughout the room if vertically aligned than it will if the cab is placed in typical horizontal fashion. All because of speaker alignment. Now it may not be a big deal to the player standing right in front of his cab, but it will matter to others. And it may not matter to some simply because depending where they are in relation to the cab this phenomena is not affecting them...even while it is affecting others.
 
Thanks. I always go for clean power onstage, no pedals, no distortion, etc. I don't even try to get the famous GK "growl ", either. For some reason, the RB700II is the loudest 320 watt bass amp I've ever heard ( set cleanly ), but, I've also read in other threads that the fEarfuls like alot of power to really do their thing.

The thing is, fEARfuls displacement limitation is almost what their wattage rating is, so they can take a ton of power before farting out or blowing (unlike most other cabs). But just because they can take a lot of power doesn't mean they need a lot of power. Depends on each player's volume needs.
 
The fEARful design eliminates phase cancellation, nulls and voids in the room caused by speaker alignment.

It took me years to convince my band to stop splitting the subs up and placing one on each side of the stage. We now keep our subs together. Why? Because when split apart there were places in the room where the low end almost disappeared entirely, even while sounding great in other parts of the room.

Same thing applies to bass cabs and the sound they produce. A 210 will sound better throughout the room if vertically aligned than it will if the cab is placed in typical horizontal fashion. All because of speaker alignment. Now it may not be a big deal to the player standing right in front of his cab, but it will matter to others. And it may not matter to some simply because depending where they are in relation to the cab this phenomena is not affecting them...even while it is affecting others.

On the Bill Fitzmaurice Forums someone had a great analogy: Drop a stick oriented at 3 & 9 o'clock flat into a pond. Look at the waves, they travel barely no wider than the stick, but rather go 12 & 6 o'clock. Drop the same stick oriented at 12 & 6 o'clock and look how magically the waves travel horizontally at 3 & 9 o'clock. Clears up any doubters without even doing a sound test.
 
The small heads that you mention are all 300 watters, IIRC . Is that enough to drive a 15/6/1 on a reasonably loud gig? I'm actually gonna try a GKRB700II, once mine is finished and shipped. Also, I'm curios if anyone uses a stand for their 15/6/1, or tilts/raises it up onstage ?
My gkmb500 which gives about 300w at 8 ohms does a nice job of getting my 15/6 loud. I am sure your rb700II will do a fine job. However, for me I want more than 300w. I think thats more of a psychological thing more than really needing it though. My band usually does not play super loud. The main reason I am moving away from using my gkmb500 with the 15/6 is that I am finding the VT Bass, which I love, is not an ideal match for the gk. As Sundougue mentioned though, these cabs will really roar with beefier wattage.
 
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