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fEARless F212: New cab design from greenboy!
- Thread starter CL400Peavey
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- Mar 8, 2011
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There are a couple out there. Once we catch up on orders we'll be building a demo model F212.
So far I've gigged the following Greenboy cabs.
fEARful
12/6/1cube
15/6/1
15sub
66
FEARLESS
F112
F210
F115
F112/F115 stack
F115/F115 stack
F215
Bassic12 (Faital w/tweet)
Bassic15(Faital)
Dually
Dually T
I always flip flop because of different criteria. I really could use a F112 for the majority of my gigs. The F115 is my 'daily driver.' The F212 could be a real sweet spot for me, as far as form factor goes. The F215 is a bit large to lug into my local bar gigs, but a two woofer cab has something I really love...will find out soon enough
Since most folks don't tune to low F#, the fEARful vs FEARLESS argument mainly comes down to personal preference. I personally see the FEARLESS line as an evolution of gb designs, and others are gonna still prefer the fEARful cabs . I'd take either over any other design out there, but that's me.
So far I've gigged the following Greenboy cabs.
fEARful
12/6/1cube
15/6/1
15sub
66
FEARLESS
F112
F210
F115
F112/F115 stack
F115/F115 stack
F215
Bassic12 (Faital w/tweet)
Bassic15(Faital)
Dually
Dually T
I always flip flop because of different criteria. I really could use a F112 for the majority of my gigs. The F115 is my 'daily driver.' The F212 could be a real sweet spot for me, as far as form factor goes. The F215 is a bit large to lug into my local bar gigs, but a two woofer cab has something I really love...will find out soon enough
Since most folks don't tune to low F#, the fEARful vs FEARLESS argument mainly comes down to personal preference. I personally see the FEARLESS line as an evolution of gb designs, and others are gonna still prefer the fEARful cabs . I'd take either over any other design out there, but that's me.
lelandcrooks
Commercial User
I own a F110 and F210. Both sound wonderful. The latter can get as loud as a good 410 while the Little Beast gets as loud as a good 210. How much macho overkill do you need? I use the F110 on most of my gigs.
I think it was Mae West that said, "Sometimes, too much of a good thing can be...wonderful!".
I agree - if someone else carries it. I'm totally into the sound of big cabs. Nothing is better than the coupling of multiple drivers. But as I get older, it becomes more of a nuisance to move gear around - particularly if the additional volume capacity is not a requirement. Certainly, in cases where the bassist must carry sound for the whole venue, a larger cab is a requirement. But in many cases, the venue or genre of music doesn't require massive volume, or if it does, the FOH system carries that and all you need is a smaller cab or IEMs on stage. In these latter circumstances, while a bassist MAY bring a large cab, there is no requirement to do so. My preference is to bring what's needed for the job and nothing more. That strategy makes the load-in and load-out quick and simple.
P.S. As a Fearless owner and gigger, I want to add that the tone performance of the F110 is nothing short of spectacular. I'm sure the F212 sounds just as wonderful. But I think we are accustomed to judging gear with our eyes and not our ears. I wouldn't have thought the F110 would be as good as it is - heck, bigger cabs are "better," right?
However, I will make this statement based on my experience with just two of the Fearless cabs: size does NOT matter with respect to quality of tone. The main issue is how much volume your gig might require. If a 210-level of volume suffices, the F110 is all you will need. If a 410-level of volume suffices, then the F210 will be more than adequate. You can take your calculations from there in developing your own cab requirements for the gig. If you're not gigging and only play in your house, the size issue is all about ego. You're not going to get a "better Fearless experience" with the bigger cab. That's why I don't use the F210 in my home studio. It's too much cab for the room and shakes the joists and rafters even at lower volume.
How would this compare with the Baer ML212 (12/12/6/6, no tweeter)?
http://www.baeramps.com/ml-212-bass-cabinet.html
I loved the lows girth in the ML212, and the forward mids in both the ML112 & 212, but would like a tweeter that I can dial in at times. That'd be my ideal gigging single cab.
http://www.baeramps.com/ml-212-bass-cabinet.html
I loved the lows girth in the ML212, and the forward mids in both the ML112 & 212, but would like a tweeter that I can dial in at times. That'd be my ideal gigging single cab.
^^ or going by Ukiah's post, how would a 12/6/1 compare to the Baer ML112?
(Maybe the 212 is overkill for me.)
(Maybe the 212 is overkill for me.)
I agree - if someone else carries it. I'm totally into the sound of big cabs. Nothing is better than the coupling of multiple drivers. But as I get older, it becomes more of a nuisance to move gear around - particularly if the additional volume capacity is not a requirement. Certainly, in cases where the bassist must carry sound for the whole venue, a larger cab is a requirement. But in many cases, the venue or genre of music doesn't require massive volume, or if it does, the FOH system carries that and all you need is a smaller cab or IEMs on stage. In these latter circumstances, while a bassist MAY bring a large cab, there is no requirement to do so. My preference is to bring what's needed for the job and nothing more. That strategy makes the load-in and load-out quick and simple.
P.S. As a Fearless owner and gigger, I want to add that the tone performance of the F110 is nothing short of spectacular. I'm sure the F212 sounds just as wonderful. But I think we are accustomed to judging gear with our eyes and not our ears. I wouldn't have thought the F110 would be as good as it is - heck, bigger cabs are "better," right?
I understand what you are saying & it is a very valid point.
I would love to be able to compare the F115, F212, & the F210 on various gigs. I strongly suspect that an F115 would work for 95% of the gigs that I have done or am likely to do.
I really like the size of the F210, but it is a bit difficult to believe that it could stay up with the F115's absolute output.
The only 4x10 that I've gigged & owned was an early Schroeder and while I'm sure that the quality of the overall tone & quantity of the low bass would be superior with the F210, again, I have a hard time believing that in absolute SPL that it could match that Schroeder 410 -- somewhat apples vs tangerines, but you know what I mean.
I am not at all assured that in situations where I would be better off with FOH carrying the main load of the bass guitar to the crowd, that one would actually be available.
A few bands that I've played in do play pretty loud.
My orgasmo-play-almost-anywhere rig would be a Jule Amps Dove Cage Monique into a pair of Demeter Minnie 800D into a pair of Greenboy F210 (at least in terms of portability with great tone & would be a REALLY cool-looking stack).
I'm pretty sure a Big E Flex 210 would work really great as well, but not as portable.
I'm pretty sure a Big E Flex 210 would work really great as well, but not as portable.
I think Arnopol mentioned that the 3012lf has a quicker, more responsive feel due to having a lower qts value than the 3015lf. I really like to know if this is true from anyone who has used both drivers. The f210 is the ultimate form factor for me but, I have to think that there is a bit of mid scoop going on because of the drivers used. The f212, for me, would be the goldilocks of the three. Flatter response, maybe quicke transients, great form factor, dual woofer mojo.
From what I understand of the ML212's tonal profile, the fEARless F212 will go lower. The Baer will have a tighter low end and more bark in the mid range.
LOL! I'm playing jazz at a Bay area corporate gig Friday - an upscale dinner for 100. My rig will be the F110 and a rack-mounted Monique powered by a Puma 900. I guarantee it will sound exactly the same as your "orgasmo fantasy" - and be way more powerful than required for this venue. In case you're wondering, the cab will be used in tilt-back mode and the rack will be next to it in vertical position.
I do not detect a mid scoop in my F210. It sounds the same as the F110 albeit sounds slightly "girthier" due to the dual-driver coupling effect.
I was saying that in comparison to a f112 it probably does because the 3010lf drops off at around 300hz and all the greenboy cabs are crossove over at roughly 800hz. So, again, has anyone used both the 3015lf and 3012lf and can make an comparisons? I feel that the fearful cabs were too large and this effect feel. The fearless are probably a step in the right direction. So, if the low qts of the 3012lf makes it more responsive, and you get the dual woofer thing going, it could be really awsome. Really portable too.
I do not hear any tonal differences between the 3012LF's and 3015LF's loaded in fEARful cabs. I also have no idea where the cross over points are on the fEARless cabs, as that information is not common knowledge. From all reports the 3010LF loaded fEARless cabs are tonally similar to the rest of the fEARless line.
+1. As I recall, when the F110 came out it was described by the builders as similar in tone to the F112.
