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#81
"Early on in the recent band the two of us discovered we were very far apart on the political spectrum,...."
At one time political differences was just that , a difference of opinion. These days the media has made apposing views into a war. People have followed and it has leaked into the music business. Your former musical friends are now evil, not literally but these days political opinions have taken a life of its own. This should never be with musicians. It has broken up families, friends and promising bands. Yes even if they are moving on you should too. Friends would not do what you and your former band mates did but it is what it is. Start a new band and make an agreement. NO POLITICS.
 
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Bassist30 said:
"Early on in the recent band the two of us discovered we were very far apart on the political spectrum,...."
At one time political differences was just that , a difference of opinion. These days the media has made apposing views into a war. People have followed and it has leaked into the music business. Your former musical friends are now evil, not literally but these days political opinions have taken a life of its own. This should never be with musicians. It has broken up families, friends and promising bands. Yes even if they are moving on you should too. Friends would not do what you and your former band mates did but it is what it is. Start a new band and make an agreement. NO POLITICS.
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Seems to me that it was more than just "politics". The whole how you feel about the virus and act about it took on a political tone from the get go and still does.

A fellow I was personal friends with on another forum (nothing to do with music) would not shut about how his point of view was correct and on and on. While his argument might have some merit, his over the top-ness of it turned me off to him. Multiply this times 100 interactions a day/week and it's just too much.

I have cut other people out of my life recently because their first interaction is always their opinion. Their worldview is so colored by their "camp" so what's the point of further discussion?
 
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3Liter said:
Seems to me that it was more than just "politics". The whole how you feel about the virus and act about it took on a political tone from the get go and still does.

A fellow I was personal friends with on another forum (nothing to do with music) would not shut about how his point of view was correct and on and on. While his argument might have some merit, his over the top-ness of it turned me off to him. Multiply this times 100 interactions a day/week and it's just too much.

I have cut other people out of my life recently because their first interaction is always their opinion. Their worldview is so colored by their "camp" so what's the point of further discussion?
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I don't want to talk about politics here, since it's not allowed. But a point I would make when these comments of "changing friendships because of politics is stupid" come up is this. It's not about politics as much as it's about behavior. When people get to a point at which they think it's perfectly ok to insult others because of their differing beliefs, it's time to cut ties.

I have political opinions but I keep them to myself unless I know I'm in the presence of someone who isn't going to fight with me about them. I've seen friends move from moderate to radical in their beliefs and, along with the radicalization seems to come intolerance. I've had people come to my parties and insult my good friends because they'd continued moving toward radical stuff over the years and could no longer bear to be in the presence of my friends with differing views without resorting to name-calling. When those things happen, it's time to say goodbye. Radicalized guy is not welcome in my home anymore.

Superficially you can say this was "about politics" but it's really about people becoming fanatical to the point at which they can no longer be trusted to be respectful of others.
 
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I was raised understanding that politics and religion are private matters best kept between you and your closest friends and family, and most emphatically never brought to the workplace. As a result I have many fellow freelancers of 40 years whose personal religious or political beliefs I wouldn't have the first idea how to define - it just never mattered. Maybe I'll find out if we become personal friends as well as professional colleagues.

A pandemic isn't political; it's just science. That's a clear bright line for me: if that's permitted to become political, what aspect of science would be under attack next? We should fill the pyrotechnics with gasoline, because it would be more exciting? Maybe we should all plug into the 240 V because it's just a number?

Nothing to do with politics. It's a scientific issue, backed by every major scientific institution in the world, with no significant dissent except a handful of barking cranks. If I see you're not taking it seriously, you're off my bandstand. I don't care about your idiotic conspiracy theories, your personal religio-ideologico-political belief in which you can keep entirely to yourself, and no politics are required.
 
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Politics aside, this is an originals band, not a working band, right? And you guys go back over 40 years? What that means is that you guys have to be at least in your 50s or older, and honestly an originals band of a bunch of old guys could hardly be less relevant to anyone or anything anywhere these days. And this is coming from a guy who's also in his 50s and plays in a rockin' originals band with a bunch of other over 50s. We love what we do and we even have a small following of fans we've garnered over the last decade, but we are completely irrelevant to the music scene, and music in general. My eldest is in his late 20s and my middle is in her teens. Between that 14 year gap of musical interests, my band and it's ilk are many decades into the completely irrelevant. That's just the reality of things. For us to fight over ownership of our songs or who contributed what to which tunes is openly laughable to anyone outside of our little band. :D

I'd say just move on, start a new band and get back to enjoying yourself. Take all those basslines and hooks and write them into new songs with your new band. Then post them up on their Facebook page with links to covid science. :smug:
 
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Beej said:
What that means is that you guys have to be at least in your 50s or older, and honestly an originals band of a bunch of old guys could hardly be less relevant to anyone or anything anywhere these days.
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Google "Max Martin age".

The music industry is essentially "old people who have learned to provide the illusion of youth". They rent young people to be their public faces because they look good and work relatively cheap.
 
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kerryg said:
Google "Max Martin age".

The music industry is essentially "old people who have learned to provide the illusion of youth". They rent young people to be their public faces because they look good and work relatively cheap.
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He's an existing success, achieving peak personal popularity in his 20s and has sustained a career. Completely apples to oranges to this discussion. If he was to break through right now as a total unknown, he'd be unusual. :D
 
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Beej said:
He's an existing success, achieving peak personal popularity in his 20s and has sustained a career. Completely apples to oranges to this discussion. If he was to break through right now as a total unknown, he'd be unusual. :D
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Just wanted to make that point, but in the context of this thread I actually do agree with you.

By the way, check this out: "Max Martin was born in 1971…"

"…as a teenager he sang in a variety of bands before joining a glam-style metal band called It's Alive in 1985 as their singer and frontman..."

Anything seem slightly eyebrow-raising about those numbers to you? :)
 
#95
Beej said:
Politics aside, this is an originals band, not a working band, right? And you guys go back over 40 years? What that means is that you guys have to be at least in your 50s or older, and honestly an originals band of a bunch of old guys could hardly be less relevant to anyone or anything anywhere these days. And this is coming from a guy who's also in his 50s and plays in a rockin' originals band with a bunch of other over 50s. We love what we do and we even have a small following of fans we've garnered over the last decade, but we are completely irrelevant to the music scene, and music in general. My eldest is in his late 20s and my middle is in her teens. Between that 14 year gap of musical interests, my band and it's ilk are many decades into the completely irrelevant. That's just the reality of things. For us to fight over ownership of our songs or who contributed what to which tunes is openly laughable to anyone outside of our little band. :D

I'd say just move on, start a new band and get back to enjoying yourself. Take all those basslines and hooks and write them into new songs with your new band. Then post them up on their Facebook page with links to covid science. :smug:
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So how old do you have to be, to be relevant?
 
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Bassist30 said:
So how old do you have to be, to be relevant?
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Well, a better question would be - relevant to what? The Industry? In a lot of cases it isn't that we became irrelevant to the industry. The Industry simply became irrelevant to us.

"Relevant" in 2021 no longer means "good hair and looks good in Spandex". It means things like being "new technology" savvy, grasping that "80% of 3000 units is a far better deal than .1% of a million", identifying your niche and focusing, developing a personal relationship with your fanbase, using newer, paradigm-shifting models like Kickstarter and GoFundMe for project funding (so you can complete and publish a work with zero outstanding debt on delivery, all through donations from people who are just interested in seeing your project done, unlike "borrowing" from labels at extortionate rates with opaque and sketchy terms) or Patreon for personal income.

There's no gatekeeper any more so you only need to care about being relevant in your own niche and to your own fanbase.

Like I said - it's not so much that we became irrelevant to the industry. The industry still calls when it needs something done that a 21-year-old doesn't yet have a track record of pulling off under pressure. The industry simply became irrelevant to us.

Or, as I've said a million times over the last 20 years: "monkey knows there's no banana; monkey doesn't have to dance."
 
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Bassist30 said:
In a nut shell... That's it.
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So we're supposed to sit around and let our friends attack us and others because of their beliefs? I guess I don't understand why it's supposed to be "stupid" to move on from people who are acting this way. Who wants to be abused like that? Move on and stop listening to people who are telling you that you have to allow this crap into your life. You don't.
 
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LBS-bass said:
So we're supposed to sit around and let our friends attack us and others because of their beliefs? I guess I don't understand why it's supposed to be "stupid" to move on from people who are acting this way. Who wants to be abused like that? Move on and stop listening to people who are telling you that you have to allow this crap into your life. You don't.
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I have said to move on.... Not sure I said to let others take advantage. In fact I didn't. I do believe its stupid that friends/Musicians can't get along because of their views in politics. That I do believe. I also told him to move on. The band did as he should.
 
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kerryg said:
Well, a better question would be - relevant to what? The Industry? In a lot of cases it isn't that we became irrelevant to the industry. The Industry simply became irrelevant to us.

"Relevant" in 2021 no longer means "good hair and looks good in Spandex". It means things like being "new technology" savvy, grasping that "80% of 3000 units is a far better deal than .1% of a million", identifying your niche and focusing, developing a personal relationship with your fanbase, using newer, paradigm-shifting models like Kickstarter and GoFundMe for project funding (so you can complete and publish a work with zero outstanding debt on delivery, all through donations from people who are just interested in seeing your project done, unlike "borrowing" from labels at extortionate rates with opaque and sketchy terms) or Patreon for personal income.

There's no gatekeeper any more so you only need to care about being relevant in your own niche and to your own fanbase.

Like I said - it's not so much that we became irrelevant to the industry. The industry still calls when it needs something done that a 21-year-old doesn't yet have a track record of pulling off under pressure. The industry simply became irrelevant to us.

Or, as I've said a million times over the last 20 years: "monkey knows there's no banana; monkey doesn't have to dance."
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There's no gatekeeper any more so you only need to care about being relevant in your own niche and to your own fanbase.

That's why we live in a great time with making Music.
 
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