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Fender Bassman Pedals

I am looking for a compressor. Wanted something simple so went hunting for the EH Bass Preacher. The shop had it at another branch so the sales guy asked me to try the Bassman Compressor. Tried it and did not really hear the compression despite tweaking it in all ways. It was more like a tone shaping device. Yeah, it gives the bass more body. It sounds bigger. Twanging (finger style or popping it) on just one string repeatedly, the compression was not obvious at all.

What might I be doing wrong?
 
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I am looking for a compressor. Wanted something simple so went hunting for the EH Bass Preacher. The shop had it at another branch so the sales guy asked me to try the Bassman Compressor. Tried it and did not really hear the compression despite tweaking it in all ways. It was more like a tone shaping device. Yeah, it gives the bass more body. It sounds bigger. Twanging (finger style or popping it) on just one string repeatedly, the compression was not obvious at all.

What might I be doing wrong?
I'll take a stab at it. Please don't take this the wrong way but you might not be ready for a compressor or you might not be certain of the benefits due to the way you talk about "hearing" the compression. You really should not hear compression so much as feel it. Yeah, sometimes, people use it as an effect like guitarists into chicken pickin but it really is not a tone shaping device, especially for bass. You also mention that you were striking one string repeatedly. If the release is slow, it won't have any time to recover and the compression will stay on. Everyone has their own preferences for attack and release and it can depend on how fast you're playing and how fast or slow the compressor circuit is. I tend to like a slow attack to not lose the initial impact and then a faster release.

First, I'd avoid EH for compressors.

Compression is pretty much always used on bass in recording and mastering. It's not used nearly as often live but it does have its uses. Some use it to limit peaks to keep amps from distorting to protect drivers. Some use it to mask or correct for inconsistent playing levels or to sweeten or thicken the tone. I'll assume that is your most likely goal. The Fender Bassman compressor is a fine choice in that price category though it is on the more subtle side compared to many which can be a good thing to keep you out of trouble. It only goes up to 8:1 so no heavy limiting. It's also a soft-knee so it's not as aggressive as something like a Keeley Bassist which uses a similar circuit but is hard-knee. Since you have access to playing that one, I'll do my best. It's a bit quirky in that the knob labeled Blend is not what most Blend knobs on a compressor do. Rather than blend between dry and wet, it's really just a dry or clean volume that you use to blend in with the compressed level. To start with, I'd turn the blend down. Set the release switch down for fast release. If a pedal does not have a blend, I'll typically set ratio to 4:1. When it comes to setting ratio when I have a blend option, I might go higher like 8:1 so try setting that switch to Up at first. To set the threshold or input level, labeled Comp on this one, make use of the LED. I usually play a loud note like popping the open G-string (keep it cool) and adjusting the level until it turns occasionally red on the peaks. Now, while popping the open G, adjust the Output level knob, turning the pedal on and off until the volume levels are the same. Finally, you can add in some clean signal with the blend knob but don't overpower the compressed signal as unity gain on this knob is about 7 so I'd keep it there or under. Now, when you play normally, it should feel a little fuller and thicker. The loudest notes will be no louder than without the compressor on but the quieter ones will be louder. Try this to see if you like what it does: Play the notes of a chord: root, 5th and octave, one at a time, without muting any of them while playing. Do this with pedal on and off. Do you hear the notes as more even with it on? Chords should sound much nicer without having weaker notes disappearing.

Oh, if you're using overdrive and distortion pedals, they inherently compress so you should not need a compressor on with those.
 
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No, I won’t take it the wrong way as I am new to using a compressor pedal. 🤣

Okay … read what you said. It’s back to the drawing board for me.

I was trying to feel the compression as much as listening to it. Perhaps, I was hasty, thus not listening/feeling it properly.

I did notice some ‘funny’ sound when striking the string on the first and second time. Guess it’s basically the attack happening. I need to learn/understand more. Hence, back to the drawing board.

TQ for the long reply. Much appreciated!
 
@ShortScale24

No, I won’t take it the wrong way as I am new to using a compressor pedal. 🤣

Okay … read what you said. It’s back to the drawing board for me.

I was trying to feel the compression as much as listening to it. Perhaps, I was hasty, thus not listening/feeling it properly.

I did notice some ‘funny’ sound when striking the string on the first and second time. Guess it’s basically the attack happening. I need to learn/understand more. Hence, back to the drawing board.

TQ for the long reply. Much appreciated!
What's your price range? If you want to stay in the $100 price range and there's not much reason to spend more right now, there are some great deals. The UAFX 1176 is currently $99. If you buy from MF and sign up for their rewards program, it'll be about $91 in the end. It's a terrific compressor with plenty of control. It really adds punch and can even add some grit if desired. If you want slower and easier, they also have the UAFX LA-2A optical compressor for the same price. The Fender you were testing would be about $103 in the end. Without going much over $100 for new or used, the only other pedal that I really like is the Fender Bends which also thickens thing up quite a bit. Finally, if you don't want to invest in a dedicated compressor pedal right now but want to have one to see if you like it, a pedal like the Zoom MS-60B or MS-70CDR has several types of compressors (the 160 compressor based on the dbx is quite good) in addition to just about any effect you can think of plus a tuner. I don't use them much for creating patches since I own so many dedicated pedals so I use it as a Swiss Army pedal filling in where needed.
 
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@ShortScale24 ... I'm like halfway around the world from you. So, choice is slightly limited. My reason for a compressor is to even out the levels and get that thick tone. Budget wise, I don't mind something around the price of a Keeley Bassist or the Darkglass Hyper Luminal. Not keen to spend more as I am a bedroom bassist.

The UAFX 1176 is available here. I'll go check it out. TQ!
 
@ShortScale24 ... I'm like halfway around the world from you. So, choice is slightly limited. My reason for a compressor is to even out the levels and get that thick tone. Budget wise, I don't mind something around the price of a Keeley Bassist or the Darkglass Hyper Luminal. Not keen to spend more as I am a bedroom bassist.

The UAFX 1176 is available here. I'll go check it out. TQ!
I'm not a fan of the Darkglass so I can't recommend it. The Bassist is terrific but very clean. It's certainly simple to use but it does not give the magic that the 1176 will. Hopefully, the UAFX is on sale there too. Universal Audio put it on sale at $99 and all of the dealers followed suit. I just checked Swee Lee and they're charging more than double what it sells for here. Ouch! The Zoom pedals are really worth checking out if you get the chance. Even if you eventually move on to a better compressor, the effects are always fun and useful.
 
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I'll take a stab at it. Please don't take this the wrong way but you might not be ready for a compressor or you might not be certain of the benefits due to the way you talk about "hearing" the compression. You really should not hear compression so much as feel it. Yeah, sometimes, people use it as an effect like guitarists into chicken pickin but it really is not a tone shaping device, especially for bass. You also mention that you were striking one string repeatedly. If the release is slow, it won't have any time to recover and the compression will stay on. Everyone has their own preferences for attack and release and it can depend on how fast you're playing and how fast or slow the compressor circuit is. I tend to like a slow attack to not lose the initial impact and then a faster release.

First, I'd avoid EH for compressors.

Compression is pretty much always used on bass in recording and mastering. It's not used nearly as often live but it does have its uses. Some use it to limit peaks to keep amps from distorting to protect drivers. Some use it to mask or correct for inconsistent playing levels or to sweeten or thicken the tone. I'll assume that is your most likely goal. The Fender Bassman compressor is a fine choice in that price category though it is on the more subtle side compared to many which can be a good thing to keep you out of trouble. It only goes up to 8:1 so no heavy limiting. It's also a soft-knee so it's not as aggressive as something like a Keeley Bassist which uses a similar circuit but is hard-knee. Since you have access to playing that one, I'll do my best. It's a bit quirky in that the knob labeled Blend is not what most Blend knobs on a compressor do. Rather than blend between dry and wet, it's really just a dry or clean volume that you use to blend in with the compressed level. To start with, I'd turn the blend down. Set the release switch down for fast release. If a pedal does not have a blend, I'll typically set ratio to 4:1. When it comes to setting ratio when I have a blend option, I might go higher like 8:1 so try setting that switch to Up at first. To set the threshold or input level, labeled Comp on this one, make use of the LED. I usually play a loud note like popping the open G-string (keep it cool) and adjusting the level until it turns occasionally red on the peaks. Now, while popping the open G, adjust the Output level knob, turning the pedal on and off until the volume levels are the same. Finally, you can add in some clean signal with the blend knob but don't overpower the compressed signal as unity gain on this knob is about 7 so I'd keep it there or under. Now, when you play normally, it should feel a little fuller and thicker. The loudest notes will be no louder than without the compressor on but the quieter ones will be louder. Try this to see if you like what it does: Play the notes of a chord: root, 5th and octave, one at a time, without muting any of them while playing. Do this with pedal on and off. Do you hear the notes as more even with it on? Chords should sound much nicer without having weaker notes disappearing.

Oh, if you're using overdrive and distortion pedals, they inherently compress so you should not need a compressor on with those.
Hello, thanks for the long explanation, I like it.
I just bought this pedal a few weeks ago, to try a compressor for the first time, just playing it at home so far. I never use effects and I am more a fingerstyle flat EQ guy when it sounds OK. Here with the gentle compression settings as described in the documentation it improves the sound of my Jazz Bass on my Ampeg RB115 greatly. I had hard times explaining why but it definitely makes a difference to my ears, it stays always on now.

"Now, when you play normally, it should feel a little fuller and thicker. The loudest notes will be no louder than without the compressor on but the quieter ones will be louder." That's it.

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Hello, thanks for the long explanation, I like it.
I just bought this pedal a few weeks ago, to try a compressor for the first time, just playing it at home so far. I never use effects and I am more a fingerstyle flat EQ guy when it sounds OK. Here with the gentle compression settings as described in the documentation it improves the sound of my Jazz Bass on my Ampeg RB115 greatly. I had hard times explaining why but it definitely makes a difference to my ears, it stays always on now.

"Now, when you play normally, it should feel a little fuller and thicker. The loudest notes will be no louder than without the compressor on but the quieter ones will be louder." That's it.

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Interesting.

Actually low amount of Grid (below 9 o'clock ) + level at 3-4 o'clock on my stacked RB 112 able provide nice compressor quality for my jazz bass.

I play Pbass most the time, bassman Fuzz pedal demo by Pete Griffin are catching my ear so far.
 

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