I have no feelings on this topic either way but I want to comment on what you said. "I always check the serial number." If that is the case, and you (the buyer) are educated in both Fender, Squier, and/or basses in general, then it should not matter what the seller discloses since you will be able to determine if what the seller is presenting is real or not. By touch, visual, sound, whatever. Obviously, I would be more apt to buy from someone who is up-front with full disclosure. But if I saw something that did not look right I would do some homework, start asking question, checking serial numbers, etc. It is the world we live in today...Buyer beware! When was the last time you went to buy a used car and didn't have to pull information from the sales or service guys?? They just don't open the books and say "here you go!" My point is if you are buying a '63 Precision Bass you should know what colors were produced, serial number prefix, etc, etc.
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Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses
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I have no feelings on this topic either way but I want to comment on what you said. "I always check the serial number." If that is the case, and you (the buyer) are educated in both Fender, Squier, and/or basses in general, then it should not matter what the seller discloses since you will be able to determine if what the seller is presenting is real or not. By touch, visual, sound, whatever. Obviously, I would be more apt to buy from someone who is up-front with full disclosure. But if I saw something that did not look right I would do some homework, start asking question, checking serial numbers, etc. It is the world we live in today...Buyer beware! When was the last time you went to buy a used car and didn't have to pull information from the sales or service guys?? They just don't open the books and say "here you go!" My point is if you are buying a '63 Precision Bass you should know what colors were produced, serial number prefix, etc, etc.
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Statistical cosmic insight?
Couldn't help it, sorry. Meant to be funny!
It's no joke. I'm privy to esoteric statistics.
Turock said:
I don't have comprehension skill issues, I do on the other hand have some reading retention issues but I'm not seeing that at play here.
I tend to forget what I read in the previous paragraph while reading. Not much fun at all.
But sense were sharing; 8)
We've all got things we need to work on, perhaps if you spent more time addressing your own, and less time reminding others of theirs, we could all enjoy our time here more.
And for the record you still have failed to answer the question.
Aside from your wrongful assumptions, how is it I'm wrong?
All you've done so far is keep repeating yourself more or less.
I would hope your goal is to correct my misinformed view, but the only way to do that is to add information after telling me I'm wrong.
If I'm so wrong why is it that you seem to have so much trouble articulating your reasoning for making such a claim?
I've seen people put Hemi on cars without a real "hemi". Turbo on cars without a turbo.
I believe that the term lip stick on a pig may apply.
I'm reluctant to buy a Fender or a Gibson since they have been so "copied" by others. Thinking about buying an SM 57? I might think about it.
I believe that the term lip stick on a pig may apply.
I'm reluctant to buy a Fender or a Gibson since they have been so "copied" by others. Thinking about buying an SM 57? I might think about it.
Immigrant said:I don't have a dog in this race (other than the anti-scammer angle) so I find this thread entertaining and insightful.
That being said, and no personal knock intended, Wikipedia is a great tool and a fun resource but it is by far not the most reliable. For fun stuff, like basic learning (as long as your brain's filters are on) and Internet forum information gathering, but never site them as a source in a Bibliography in any college-level course. Instant fail.
I own a Squier, so maybe I do have input. I'd never swap the decal. I'd rock the S out of it as it is.
All I can do is go off the information I have available. Wiki says Fender bought out Squire more or less to get into the more budget line side of things.
Until new information becomes available to me, I'll stick with it. I do know Wikipedia is not always the best source, but when it's the only source that I've found it works for the moment.
I was under the impression that Squier was a string company that Leo Fender bought, and when they decided to make guitars in Japan years later, they used that name since they already owned the trademark.
P.S. What if I put a "Tokai Hard Puncher" decal on a Fender? I always thought those basses were awesome, but I can never find one of them....
Fresh Eddie said:
Listen if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, no worries.
I'm learning just like anyone else, if I misunderstood the article I read then so be it.
It's very possible, I'm not saying I'm right or wrong I'm asking Turock to explain himself instead of just saying I'm wrong and attempting to insult me.
I have no problems with being wrong, in fact if I learn something from it than being wrong is not such a bad thing. Especially when my being wrong stems from a simple sarcastic, poorly written section of a comment that Turock has been hung up on for two days now.
Well more like a full day almost time wise.
I'm simply asking for him to explain himself.
The answer is sooooo obvious.
MIMs should be labeled "Bass" and then in fine print "This instrument is only made in Mexico and doesn't really deserve a logo. You should buy a Squire instead."
On the other hand, Squiers should be labeled "Fender" and then in fine print "a product of Fender--this quality Asian import is the real deal--a Squier."
I completely agree with you, especially when making an online purchase. The problem is a lot of people don't know what to look for. They see the Fender shape and logo, and then start an "I think I just got ripped off thread" that usually starts off with something like, "The seller told me this bass was a Fender..."
I totally understand. That's why I said Wiki is perfectly fine for stuff like this. That's why whenever someone well-known is Googled, most of the time Wiki is in the top ten results.
Something like the Fender page on Wiki is going to be pretty accurate, just don't trust what you read about politicians.
You know, I don't remember. It was circa 1969 though. I used to see them at... hell, those brain cells have long since fallen by the wayside... that club that was on a street that ran right alongside one of the "lakes" near LSU. You could look out across it and see Sorority Row. Wait! I have Google Maps. Just a sec...
It was on Stanford Avenue between the Lakeshore Drive intersections.
Some bands I remember from that time and place: The War Babies, Potliquor, The Basement Wall, Ivy Peebles Medicine Show, The Luvrakers, Bill Wray and the Show Band Royale, Goatleg... a lot of great music!
I don't know what world you live in, but you have been proclaiming you were right all along. You even supplied documentation in an attempt to prove you were right, but if you read it and understood it, it actually proved that you were wrong.
I'd be more inclined to explain, except for when I suggested that you check your facts, you replied that you couldn't be bothered.
I'm not "hung up" on your poorly written comment. Here's the deal, you are spreading misinformation (and insisting that it is correct) on a site where people come for accurate information. Do you get that?
Read Fresh Eddie's post (that you quoted) and try to let that sink in.
Okay, I'm out.
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Man, as predicted, this thread is offering zero new ideas & devolving into little skirmishes between individuals.
I wasn't going to post, but the timing was right. I just finished this today. It's one of 2 Affinity 5's I have. I plan on doing the second one soon (and better). I don't think the Squier's are better than most high end basses, or even MIM'S. I'm not pretending it's now as good as an American 5. I'm not that guy. My good stuff sounds waaay better. I do know that they are gigable, and are a good choice when one considers the possibility of theft, damage etc. I read that some do this for alot of reasons. I have much better basses I use for gigging. I once used the Squier for back up, but kept it backwards on the stand so no one could see the headstock.
Got a prob with that? I don't care. Am I insecure, not wanting to be judged as not being able to afford better gear when I can? Maybe. But I don't care. I like the looks of it. It still has the Squier neck plate etc. My family knows it's a Squier, not a Fender branded Jazz. Guess what? Now I'll gig it regularly, keeping my nicer stuff nice. To top it off, the back of the headstock now says Made in USA and there's a bogus serial #. Wrong prefix and all...It's still a Squier, and any bonehead that's played bass for more than 2 weeks can look at the numerous small features of the bass and know something's not right. Anyway, the project gave me something to do as I mend from a mishap and can't play. I'm a bad boy, but thought some might enjoy the pics.
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After
Got a prob with that? I don't care. Am I insecure, not wanting to be judged as not being able to afford better gear when I can? Maybe. But I don't care. I like the looks of it. It still has the Squier neck plate etc. My family knows it's a Squier, not a Fender branded Jazz. Guess what? Now I'll gig it regularly, keeping my nicer stuff nice. To top it off, the back of the headstock now says Made in USA and there's a bogus serial #. Wrong prefix and all...It's still a Squier, and any bonehead that's played bass for more than 2 weeks can look at the numerous small features of the bass and know something's not right. Anyway, the project gave me something to do as I mend from a mishap and can't play. I'm a bad boy, but thought some might enjoy the pics.
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After
xring's post, both words and pics, has brought new ch!t to light (for me).
This decal business is a lot like make-up.
That's all it is.
Chicks wear make-up so they'll look better. Are they scamming, deceiving, poseurettifying, misrepresenting, etc when they wear make-up? Or are they simply trying to lessen the resistance that awaits on life's path? Male actors wear make-up to look better.
Most people (same survey) are visually oriented.
You know darned well there are thousands who if they heard the same bass with a Squier decal, and heard the same bass with a Fender decal, would say that the Fender sounded better.
This decal business is a lot like make-up.
That's all it is.
Chicks wear make-up so they'll look better. Are they scamming, deceiving, poseurettifying, misrepresenting, etc when they wear make-up? Or are they simply trying to lessen the resistance that awaits on life's path? Male actors wear make-up to look better.
Most people (same survey) are visually oriented.
You know darned well there are thousands who if they heard the same bass with a Squier decal, and heard the same bass with a Fender decal, would say that the Fender sounded better.
