Well, he failed.
An inexperienced person sees "Fender", they won't know any better; so it could still easily be passed off as a Fender.
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Fender logos on Squier basses...
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Well, he failed.
An inexperienced person sees "Fender", they won't know any better; so it could still easily be passed off as a Fender.
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Call me a cynic if you want, I have a hard time believing that all the venom directed at some folks who put on fake decals is just based on concern for some other people hypothetically getting ripped off in some possible future scenario. This reaction and accompanying explanation doesn't pass the smell test to me.What I wonder is how many people say this same thing, then turnaround 6 months, 1 year, whatever and sell the bass as such. Selective morality by everyone that does this and states as such?
Very true - but the point of this thread wasn't to re-hash the debate of whether it is right or wrong. The person doing the re-labeling doesn't care what you think and your refusal to think outside the box for 30 seconds is causing you to still miss the question - which is this:
If they're going to put a Fender decal on it anyways - regardless of what you or anyone else thinks - then isn't it preferable that it's not a direct copy of a factory produced decal that makes it much easier to dupe someone into thinking it's the real thing? By using an 'alternate' you give the potential buyer of the bass a much better chance to identify it as a re-labelled Squier. It reduces the likelihood that the 2nd or 3rd or 4th owner down the line can pass it off as the real thing either.
Can you concede that it gives clues to what it is (or isn't)?
If you were looking at a used bass in a pawn shop or on craigslist that said "Fender Vintage Modified" you would have a better chance to recognize it for being a Squier, wouldn't you? Yes or no?
I also think that those who like to re-label for reason other than pulling scam sales would be OK with this sort of label because it allows them to put their "Fender" bass over their shoulder - for whatever reasons they have - but with a clear but subtle nod to what it really is.
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But see, that's what I'm getting at. A lot of these folks that object so strenuously to these decals aren't really interested in solving the problem they claim to want to prevent. It's an emotional reaction, they are mad that someone is getting away with doing something they don't like. The concern for potential future buyers is a red herring.
Yeah I would, and most likely everyone here would, but the intended target for these frauds is the uneducated noob who wouldn't know a real Fender from a hole in the ground. We are not the ones these crooks are after.
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So, since this behavior is happening and is going to continue, and there is nothing you or anyone can do to stop it, and since you say you want to protect these ignorant buyers...
I can only assume you would be in favor of modified decals that are close, but upon inspection are easily spotted as fakes even to a novice, right?
That's just it. The 'crooks' aren't going to use these decals because they'll use the ones that are as indistinguishable from factory decals as possible. The person who might use these decals (if they ever become available) is the person wanting to find a balance between using a Fender decal while also including a reference to what the bass really is.
That's preferable, isn't it?
I disagree. I think the characterization of the objections as "strenuous" and "venom" is generally inaccurate, and I think you're making a big assumption about those folks' motives.
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I would think the OPs decal would be attractive to people who don't want to sell a rip off, but just want/need the logo 'close enough' for their own personal purposes.
I would also think that such a decal would be unattractive to anyone who wanted to scam people. All it takes is a moderately well-trained eye and the fake Fender is removed from sale and your credibility as a seller is ruined. Why risk that when more realistic decals are already easily bought online?
This is the point people are missing: the OPs decal is aimed at people who don't want to be scammers, and is designed in such a way that you can't pass it off as a Fender even if you want to. The potential for fraud is basically zero.
Just what they said it was--the potential for fraud down the road. Why is that so hard to believe? There have been several examples given in the thread.
Easy to say if it ain't your 200 bucks, innit? And why would you assume it would only be a top-of-the-line Squier being passed off as a standard MIM?So a used Squier worth $2/300 gets sold as a Fender for $3/400.
OMG!!!
I wonder how many times we can do this:
A: There is no potential for fraud.
B: But what if people scam other people?
A: But they won't because there is no potential for fraud in the OPs suggestion. So that's not an issue.
B: It's a fake logo and people will get scammed. I hate fake logos. Boo.
A: But it's not an issue - that's the point - so what's the real reason you're upset?
B: Because fraud. Like I said.
A: But the OP clearly says tha...
B: La la la, I'm not listening. Fraud, fraud, fraud.
A: There is no potential for fraud.
B: But what if people scam other people?
A: But they won't because there is no potential for fraud in the OPs suggestion. So that's not an issue.
B: It's a fake logo and people will get scammed. I hate fake logos. Boo.
A: But it's not an issue - that's the point - so what's the real reason you're upset?
B: Because fraud. Like I said.
A: But the OP clearly says tha...
B: La la la, I'm not listening. Fraud, fraud, fraud.
I don’t think there are gonna be Squier Affinities passing for MIAs.
A used Squier Affinity might sell for $150/200, better Squiers $200/300, used MIMs maybe $300/450. Sorry, but nobody’s gonna lose their homes over this.
And Squiers being sold as Fenders by people who changed their headstock logos for personal reasons isn’t some huge epidemic. If this is the big reason for not liking the practice, it’s just not something to lose sleep about.
Sure there might be some deliberate scammers doing some serious work to make a good fake, but that’s not what the thread was about.
Speaking of Affinity Squiers - how about this "rare" red one selling on eBay for a BIN of just $299 USD!?
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I wish we had a caped superhero to chase down all these sellers looking to prey on suckers... this one doesn't even have a fake Fender decal!
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I wish we had a caped superhero to chase down all these sellers looking to prey on suckers... this one doesn't even have a fake Fender decal!
As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, that is just not true. The proposed new decals don't solve the issue.
So a used Squier worth $2/300 gets sold as a Fender for $3/400.
OMG!!!
Or, like the example I posted where a guy tried to sell a $300 Squier VM J as an $1100 Fender 70's re-issue J here on TB Did you miss that, or did you choose to ignore it because it didn't support your joke of a premise?
OMG, indeed.
