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Fender logos on Squier basses...

#241
I'm quite happy with my Squier logo on my VMJ. I'll never change it. The bass speaks for itself ImageUploadedByTalkBass1387227721.979007.jpg

Yamaha BB450 Squier VMJ
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#242
Fake branding Squiers or anything else ultimately hurts the brand, which is why Rickenbacker for one are so hard-line about defending theirs. I doubt that Fender would endorse people rebranding Squiers or parts-built basses as Fenders simply because "it is a Fender licensed or manufactured product" originally, since ultimately it compromises perception of the brand. I've stated before that I myself am wary of used Fenders precisely because you don't necessarily know what you're really getting, because of this kind of practice.
 
#243
I put a 70's Fender decal in place of my Squier logo after I relic'd it. I'd do it again too. If I ever go to sell it (I won't) then I'd disclose what I did, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with changing the logo out as long as no one gets hurt.
 
#244
antonspon said:
Fake branding Squiers or anything else ultimately hurts the brand, which is why Rickenbacker for one are so hard-line about defending theirs. I doubt that Fender would endorse people rebranding Squiers or parts-built basses as Fenders simply because "it is a Fender licensed or manufactured product" originally, since ultimately it compromises perception of the brand. I've stated before that I myself am wary of used Fenders precisely because you don't necessarily know what you're really getting, because of this kind of practice.
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So you would rather buy new?

So, if it puts people off buying used Fenders, and if they want a Fender, they will buy new?

So it hurts Fender by actually getting people to prefer buying new, from Fender?
 
#245
I've used Fender decals simply because I love the look. When I build or modify a bass or guitar, I'm making "replicas" for my own use. I go for a look. I've owned and do own many, many Fenders and use them because I love the way they look.

I'm not trying to fool anyone. I clearly have documentation clear on the head of the instrument stating what it is. If the neck is Asian, I have that documentation on the headstock. I'm not re-creating vintage basses or guitars, but building instruments for my own use and to make me satisfied. There was a level of common use since the Fender P bass began to be used in recording. If the producer wanted electric bass, it was simply stated "Fender bass" which was the generic name for an electric bass.

Fender isn't being diluted by my personal use of a classic logo. I just like the look and make my own instruments.

I put together my favorite Strat using a Warmouth neck with a reverse headstock. I will be putting on a reverse Fender logo, because that is the way I want it to look. No one will mistake it for a genuine Fender instrument and I wouldn't try to pass it as such.

A friend bought an early 80's Volvo that was in a serious garage fire. The car was destroyed, but the frame and body were intact...just burned badly.

He stripped the body and frame and repainted it. He used a Chevy V8 and loaded the car with classic Chevy appointments...moon hubs with the Chevrolet logo, badges, tail lights, etc.

The car is amazing. It looks sort of like a Volvo and like a Chevy that was never made.

What did he do that is wrong. It was a labor of love, done by a skilled mechanic and body man and he ended up with a very unique automobile that he will enjoy for years and it will bring joy to others.

We ain't hurtin' anyone. If someone sees my bass and asks what the hell it is, I explain exactly what it is. It's a hot rod emulation of a Fender that only existed in my head.

Lighten up. This all is just entertainment meant to bring joy to ourselves and others.

I do not advocate selling any guitar with a false logo on it as the real deal. That's why we have laws and they should be enforced.
 
#248
Steve Dallman said:
A friend bought an early 80's Volvo that was in a serious garage fire. The car was destroyed, but the frame and body were intact...just burned badly.

He stripped the body and frame and repainted it. He used a Chevy V8 and loaded the car with classic Chevy appointments...moon hubs with the Chevrolet logo, badges, tail lights, etc.

The car is amazing. It looks sort of like a Volvo and like a Chevy that was never made.

What did he do that is wrong.
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Worst attempt at an analogy ever. Your "analogy" has nothing to do with rebadging an existing something to make it appear that it is something that it is not, and this discussion has nothing to do with trying to create a useful franken-something from partially destroyed remains

And, to answer the question that I think you were asking (despite there being no question mark): nothing. He did nothing wrong. Unfortunately he also did nothing that applies to the discussion. Perhaps you have confused this with one of those discussions where people get all uppity because someone has modified a bass that some others think should be kept original. THAT would be somewhat analogous to your story (although finding the defenders of originality of 80's Volvos might be a bit of a challenge). :rolleyes:
 
#250
This forum has dozens of threads on fakes that have been put up for sale under this very guise.

Marcus Willett said:
I agree (to an extent) but even when people come on here defending their actions (putting a Fender decal on a non-Fender) saying they are only doing it for themselves, because they like how it looks....some people still get irked.

What I wonder is why.
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What I wonder is how many people say this same thing, then turnaround 6 months, 1 year, whatever and sell the bass as such. Selective morality by everyone that does this and states as such? :rollno:
 
#251
I can personally vouch that someone tried to pull this nonsense at least once right here on TB. A member here once tried to sell what he claimed was a Fender Classic 70's Vintage Jazz bass reissue, asking for a price of about $1100. From the picture, I immediately recognized it as a re-branded Squier VM Jazz bass, the same as the one I had paid $300 for. I, and one other member posted our same conclusion that it was a fake. The ad/post was gone , as far as I could tell, within 24 hours of our calling the dude out. I don't know what happened to that guy.
I figure if someone had the huge brass ones to post a phony like that here on TB, how many more of these frauds are doing the same thing all over the place where they would be much less likely to get caught out. And I would say most of those are being enabled by those who make and sell unlicensed and illegal counterfeit logo decals. So maybe you're not directly committing a crime and have no intention of directly defrauding someone, the problem is that you are supporting and aiding those crooks who do. If it wasn't for those with the more "innocent'' intentions buying the decals and providing a financial incentive for these people, they would have no interest in pursuing this, making it that much harder for the "real" crooks to victimize the ignorant. So go ahead and rationalize that you personally will never lie about your substitution, I'm sure you really mean that, but face it, you're an enabler who is making it that much easier for those crooks who do.


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#253
This was the OP:

MarkoYYZ said:
How about a Fender waterslide logo for the headstock that will appease the logo snobs that people may have in their band (or studio, or crowd, or even their own ego...), but that doesn't fully cross over to being a Fender fake and could never be passed off as one if being sold used
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Just sayin'.

If this topic has been done to death, it's because no one bothers to read the thread and they end up full of the same (so-called) 'debates'. The OP was specifically attempting to change the direction of these kinds of discussions and find a middle-ground.
 
#259
I removed the Squier logo from my 94'E series MIK P bass a weeks ago. I reshot the headstock with lacquer and reliced it to match the rest of the bass.

I did not and will not put another sticker on it. As long as others don't pass off Squiers with Fender decals I see no problem.

I know a guitar tech who started rebuilding allot of VM Strats for guys who then put Fender logo's on them to have a great gigging guitars.He said nobody knew the diff.
 
#260
Turock said:
Nope. don't see an answer, just someone trying to justify a fake Fender logo.
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Actually, no. The OP is about creating a logo that would appease gear snobs from a distance but, by being sufficiently different from any real Fender decal, could never be passed off as a Fender.

Bit of a difference.

And I should add that I don't have a horse in this race. I just think TB is getting a bit shouty and stupid at times.
 

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