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Fender logos on Squier basses...
- Thread starter MarkoYYZ
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Just curious, do you believe this to be a positive contribution to the conversation?
Not the same and you know it.
I haven't decided yet. This thread was a bit of a a feeler in that respect. I will do labels like Fenderbird, Frankenbass etc... but will not produce forgeries or factory replacements. I think even just doing the better Squier ones would fill a need and fuel my GAS a little. Its the Fender 'alternates' that are the sticking point right now.
That has crossed my mind as I've read through these posts. I have a Squier VI, a MIM Jazzbass, and an American Precision. There is a noticeable quality difference between the three. It's easily conceivable that someone could be turned off to the Fender brand after playing a rebranded Squier. If enough people have that experience then it could have a negative effect on Fender's reputation.
ACTUALLY.........
For your own use, no, it's not the same at all. However, when compared to producing them for sale.....
...pretty close.
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Funny thing is, NO ONE is defending that practice. Sure, it happens. So do lots of bad/illegal things.
"I'm merely suggesting that doing something that might help somewhat is better than just taking the position that it shouldn't happen in the first place (even though it will) and doing nothing."
I'm calling 911 right now. What should I say when they answer?
Seriously though, I don't know what could or should be done about it. Voicing an opinion is probably all that the matter is worth. If the problem were serious enough it would be Fender's place to take some sort of action.
Edited to add quotations since it didn't copy as a quote.
I'm calling 911 right now. What should I say when they answer?
Seriously though, I don't know what could or should be done about it. Voicing an opinion is probably all that the matter is worth. If the problem were serious enough it would be Fender's place to take some sort of action.
Edited to add quotations since it didn't copy as a quote.
I did when I wrote it. I'm reconsidering now. I was trying to think of a similar scenario and maybe didn't quite hit the nail on the head.
I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm just trying to convey my opinion.
Nothing wrong with that. Judging by the look of your mock-ups I'd imagine them to be pretty damn good.
How about this:
Say you have a $10 bill.
You think it looks wrong so you modify it to look like $100 and you now like the look of it better (I know defacing currency is illegal, at least in my country it is, but let's forget about that for the moment).
Say then for some reason you need to buy something with the modified $10 bill, so you hand it over to somebody but let them know that it is only $10 and not $100.
You feel ok because you didn't try to fool anybody into thinking it was a 100 (except maybe yourself
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The modified bill now goes into circulation and some unsuspecting person gets screwed. Most people will recognise that it's a modified $10 bill but there'll be someone that won't. Therein lies the problem..... I think.
That probably doesn't work as a proper analogy but it seems to be what I was trying to say earlier.
EDIT: I'm also aware that it's probably impossible to modify a $10 bill to look like a $100 bill!
Say you have a $10 bill.
You think it looks wrong so you modify it to look like $100 and you now like the look of it better (I know defacing currency is illegal, at least in my country it is, but let's forget about that for the moment).
Say then for some reason you need to buy something with the modified $10 bill, so you hand it over to somebody but let them know that it is only $10 and not $100.
You feel ok because you didn't try to fool anybody into thinking it was a 100 (except maybe yourself
)The modified bill now goes into circulation and some unsuspecting person gets screwed. Most people will recognise that it's a modified $10 bill but there'll be someone that won't. Therein lies the problem..... I think.
That probably doesn't work as a proper analogy but it seems to be what I was trying to say earlier.
EDIT: I'm also aware that it's probably impossible to modify a $10 bill to look like a $100 bill!
BassHappy
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I guess I take a slightly different approach.
My 1929 Ford Model A "MuttRod" has 1947 Kaiser Frazer interior door panels and matching push button handles, 1947 Lincoln exterior push buttons on the doors, 1950 Pontiac tail lights, 1936 Pontiac headlights, a 1932 model A Ford truck grill shell, a 1958 Pontiac 370 engine block with 1955 Pontiac cylinder heads, 1956 Oldsmobile Starfire tri-spinner "planet" hub caps, and Harley Davidson vintage license plate lights along with Harley front fenders. It also has a 1936 Oldsmobile banjo steering wheel that says "Powered by General Motors". Well, you get the point.
It's all good as far as I am concerned as long as there is transparency, full disclosure and no deceit. If and when I ever sell it, I would say it is buyer beware - better do your homework and know what it is all about before you lay the money down.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
BassHappy
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Way off topic I suppose, but for the gear heads the entire build is here: http://www.indiefinancialnetwork.com/hotrod.html
The chassis and the drivetrain to me are what determine the make of a car. Its still a Ford.
BassHappy
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Chassis is a 1929 Ford Model A "modern" third party (not Ford) replica (original chassis I inherited from my dad was from the 1936 Pontiac race car) and the drivetrain is strictly GM. Pontiac racing motor (with all Offenhauser racing parts) and Chevy turbo transmission with an adaptor plate. Rear end IS a Ford 9" but the drive shaft is GM.
BassHappy
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A liar is a liar. Live with it and quit trying to justify it. You'll make $200 bucks selling these to 14 year olds. Don't try to make it sound like you're contributing to world peace. Pure Scam.
Sorry, but I don't believe this makes your point at all. The label on your rod is clearly 100% accurate.
I know what you're trying to do and I understand, but you're still wrong.
Money is made specifically to change hands and represent an exact value. It's currency created for the sole purpose of moving from one party to another.
An object like a bass is not. I understand that someone can be misled as to the value of a bass, but currency is just not the same thing. People do make 'toy' money sometimes, though, and in Canada we even have a large retail chain that creates its own that acts as a reward program to keep people coming back.
Musical instruments really aren't like anything else in this regard. I'm tempted to say collectibles like comic books and such, but they aren't made to be "used" per se. Musical instruments are tools of a sort. Old guns? Cars? If you want to restore or customize your vintage pinball machine or jukebox, should you not be able to acquire decals that will make it look the way you want it to? You might buy a brand new machine and want it to have the traditional "Bally's" logo (or whatever) because that's simply what you want it to look like. Perhaps you can't get your hands on the real thing or you simply can't afford one - but should you be prevented from ever changing the decals because some day down the road it could be sold for more than it's really worth, to someone who doesn't know better?
These items all may pass hands and some point. Will, really, but that's not their purpose for existence like money is. That's the difference.
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Right, because all lies are equivalent. Like telling a dying man he will be ok, or telling your wife that dress doesn't make her butt look big, or telling the guy you're not attracted to that you're involved when you're not. They're all lies, and all lies are the same.
Doesn't someone have to be scammed out of something in order for it to be a scam?
Again, I really don't see the point of doing a decal swap in the first place. Sure, I've seen plenty of reasons that seem legit on the surface, but I can't help but feel, if these people were being really honest with themselves, it really all boils down to being afraid of being ridiculed by others, (some have actually admitted that's exactly why they do it) which is a ridiculous reason to do anything.
I'm completely with you on that. When the logo get's changed, it is now a counterfiet.How about this:
Say you have a $10 bill.
You think it looks wrong so you modify it to look like $100 and you now like the look of it better (I know defacing currency is illegal, at least in my country it is, but let's forget about that for the moment).
Say then for some reason you need to buy something with the modified $10 bill, so you hand it over to somebody but let them know that it is only $10 and not $100.
You feel ok because you didn't try to fool anybody into thinking it was a 100 (except maybe yourself
The modified bill now goes into circulation and some unsuspecting person gets screwed. Most people will recognise that it's a modified $10 bill but there'll be someone that won't. Therein lies the problem..... I think.
Nope. A scam is a scam regardless of whether or not someone actually falls for it.
