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Fender Rumble Club

#22,941
Relayer71 said:
So why is it exactly that the Rumble 200 only outputs 140 watts? Is it that the speaker they provide isn't capable of outputting more and this is done to keep the price down? Does it have nothing to do with the speaker and just the way they designed it? Is it to allow for the additional cab while keeping the power at 200 watts maximum to keep cost low?

I'm guessing with the cabinet added it's splitting it 100 watts per speaker?
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The output wattage of a power amplier is dependent on the impedance it sees. When no external cab, the impedance is 8 ohms. When you add the extension, it is 8 ohms. Because the inputs are wired in parallel, it will drop the impedance to 4 ohms. There are a lot of speaker impedance calculators on the innerwebz. The amp, like most, show the output with a 4 ohm load. When you increase impedance (unplugging the extension, for example), the output drops. You can also Google calculators for that. This is also true of the most expensive amps you can buy.
 
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Yes. The Solid State amp puts out a certain of power into 8 ohms and (depending on the amp) full power into 4 ohms. .. which is very helpful as many of us like to add an extension cab and have that versatility of the single combo for small gigs or added extension cab for larger ones. Not only does the added cab allow the amp to put out full power, but the added speaker area of the added extension cab gives a heap more OOOMPH.
 
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rodl2005 said:
Yes. The Solid State amp puts out a certain of power into 8 ohms and (depending on the amp) full power into 4 ohms. .. which is very helpful as many of us like to add an extension cab and have that versatility of the single combo for small gigs or added extension cab for larger ones. Not only does the added cab allow the amp to put out full power, but the added speaker area of the added extension cab gives a heap more OOOMPH.
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Not just SS. The same is true for Value amps.
 
#22,948
Gravedigger Dav said:
Not just SS. The same is true for Value amps.
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At least on a valve amp, it's possible to maximize output by tap selection, If the taps are available. Let's say you have 100 watt amp, you can get 100w out at 4 ohms tap, if you use a 4 ohm cab,
You can also get 100w at 8 ohm tap, If you are using an 8 ohm cab. This of course assumes a multi tap amp.
Nothing wrong with the ss amps, because the quality of music is less limited by the amp. For me, bass and ss were made for each other. Ba+ss.
 
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I guess my question is more, why not make 10 the loudest? Oh wait, I mean, why not allow the combo to put out its entire 200W through its sole speaker? Would that have impeded the amp from using a cabinet? Would the wattage then need to be higher?

They never mention in the product pages at any of the retail websites (GC, Sweetwater, MF, Amazon, etc.) that to get the full 200 and 500 watts you need an extension cabinet.

Even Fender's own product page says nothing beyond "stylishly diminutive Rumble 500 combo pumps an astounding 500 watts of pure bass muscle and finesse". Isn't that a bit like false advertising? Or incomplete advertising?
 
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Relayer71 said:
I guess my question is more, why not make 10 the loudest? Oh wait, I mean, why not allow the combo to put out its entire 200W through its sole speaker? Would that have impeded the amp from using a cabinet? Would the wattage then need to be higher?

They never mention in the product pages at any of the retail websites (GC, Sweetwater, MF, Amazon, etc.) that to get the full 200 and 500 watts you need an extension cabinet.

Even Fender's own product page says nothing beyond "stylishly diminutive Rumble 500 combo pumps an astounding 500 watts of pure bass muscle and finesse". Isn't that a bit like false advertising? Or incomplete advertising?
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If you click on the specs tab on Fender's website, you will see they state:
  • 500 Watts at 4 ohms (with External Speaker), 350 Watts at 8 ohms (Internal)
 
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Relayer71 said:
I guess my question is more, why not make 10 the loudest? Oh wait, I mean, why not allow the combo to put out its entire 200W through its sole speaker? Would that have impeded the amp from using a cabinet? Would the wattage then need to be higher?

They never mention in the product pages at any of the retail websites (GC, Sweetwater, MF, Amazon, etc.) that to get the full 200 and 500 watts you need an extension cabinet.

Even Fender's own product page says nothing beyond "stylishly diminutive Rumble 500 combo pumps an astounding 500 watts of pure bass muscle and finesse". Isn't that a bit like false advertising? Or incomplete advertising?
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They definitely could put all power through the one speaker. The Rumble 100 and below all work in this way. But the larger the amp, the greater the likelihood of playing larger venues, with a possible need to add an external cab. It's all a question of design choices, and while the Rumble range has something for everyone, it's not practical to put all features into every single model. For those need more wattage than the 200 can provide without adding a cab, there is the 500. It's that simple.

Fender is very clear in the specs on their website that you only get full power with an external cab. Quoted from the specs for the 500c and 200c:

"500 Watts at 4 ohms (with External Speaker), 350 Watts at 8 ohms (Internal)"
"200 Watts at 4 ohms (with Extension Cabinet), 140 Watts at 8 ohms (Internal)"

Most other websites I've seen are clear on this as well.
 
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JakobT said:
They definitely could put all power through the one speaker. The Rumble 100 and below all work in this way. But the larger the amp, the greater the likelihood of playing larger venues, with a possible need to add an external cab. It's all a question of design choices, and while the Rumble range has something for everyone, it's not practical to put all features into every single model. For those need more wattage than the 200 can provide without adding a cab, there is the 500. It's that simple.

Fender is very clear in the specs on their website that you only get full power with an external cab. Quoted from the specs for the 500c and 200c:

"500 Watts at 4 ohms (with External Speaker), 350 Watts at 8 ohms (Internal)"
"200 Watts at 4 ohms (with Extension Cabinet), 140 Watts at 8 ohms (Internal)"

Most other websites I've seen are clear on this as well.
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I would say the amps in the 15, 25, 40 and 100 Rumbles may be capable of delivering more than their advertised power when they are connected to a speaker (or several) with lower (total) impedance.
With my modded 100 it is possible to connect an extra speaker (I tried a 210) parallel to the 8 ohm stock one and the amp will probably deliver more than 100W with the 4 ohm load - no specs available for that use of course.

However, these amps are NOT designed for it and it may cause failure.
 
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Happy Fender Friday!
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Relayer71 said:
I guess my question is more, why not make 10 the loudest? Oh wait, I mean, why not allow the combo to put out its entire 200W through its sole speaker? Would that have impeded the amp from using a cabinet? Would the wattage then need to be higher?

They never mention in the product pages at any of the retail websites (GC, Sweetwater, MF, Amazon, etc.) that to get the full 200 and 500 watts you need an extension cabinet.

Even Fender's own product page says nothing beyond "stylishly diminutive Rumble 500 combo pumps an astounding 500 watts of pure bass muscle and finesse". Isn't that a bit like false advertising? Or incomplete advertising?
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This is not just Fender. All manufacturers advertized their amps that way. Fender is pretty honest about it. There are others (Behringer, for example) that wildly overstate their amps.
 
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Happy Fender Friday, my friends!

I just wanted to drop by and let you all know how pleased I am with how the Rumble 500C is getting along with my Zoom B3n...

Mostly messing with the SVT amp sim...without having an actual SVT to compare it with, I am very impressed...gives me a whole new pallette of sounds to play with that have really spurred my creativity. I was really feeling that I had fallen into a rut with my playing, but no more!

It will probably take me several months to figure out what other goodies are hiding in this red box, but, for now, I am really grooving on this for pick and fingers type playing...highly recommended!

Carry on.

I remain , etc.,

The Terror.
 
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