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Fender Rumble Club

#55,901
SilboBaggins said:
I wish to throw out an easy question to satisfy my curiosity. I have a G-DEC 30 amp for my guitars and a Rumble 100 for my basses. ... ...
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Cool, Silbo! I've got a G-DEC 30 also! I got it just before I got my 7ender B-DEC 30, which is just tons o' fun with the modeling and drums, too!! :cool:​

SilboBaggins said:
... ... I heard tell of musicians using 50 or 100 watt tube amps for great power at gigs back in the day. In the Rumble space we’re throwing around #’s like 500 and 800 watts. I get the feeling that 100 watts of tube amp is much more powerful than 100 watts of today’s solid state amps. Is that true? Please explain.
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Yep, "way back in my day" 50 or 100 RMS watts was about as much as you could get, with 15, 22, and 30 RMS watts for guitar amps being much more common. But even back then they advertised peak watts when the RMS wattage numbers seemed too small. But, actually, watts are watts, whether tube or solid state. Its the testing & rating method giving RMS (like Continuous) or peak (like Program) that confuses things, along with the psycho-acoustics of tubes vs solid state.

Now we know that bass frequencies need a lot more power to be heard cleanly, about 4 times as much, than guitar frequencies do. So, the most popular bass amps usually have more power than most guitar amps, even back then. It's just that more powerful amps are more common these days, though you don't see guitar amps going for the higher wattages so much. ;)
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#55,902
G-Dog said:
Cool, Silbo! I've got a G-DEC 30 also! I got it just before I got my 7ender B-DEC 30, which is just tons o' fun with the modeling and drums, too!! :cool:​




Yep, "way back in my day" 50 or 100 RMS watts was about as much as you could get, with 15, 22, and 30 RMS watts for guitar amps being much more common. But even back then they advertised peak watts when the RMS wattage numbers seemed too small. But, actually, watts are watts, whether tube or solid state. Its the testing & rating method giving RMS (like Continuous) or peak (like Program) that confuses things, along with the psycho-acoustics of tubes vs solid state.

Now we know that bass frequencies need a lot more power to be heard cleanly, about 4 times as much, than guitar frequencies do. So, the most popular bass amps usually have more power than most guitar amps, even back then. It's just that more powerful amps are more common these days, though you don't see guitar amps going for the higher wattages so much. ;)
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Technically, yes, watts are watts. Even so, not all watts are created equal. @SharpCat provided a good, simple intro. It's about how many watts at what percent distortion, but the type of distortion matters a great deal. Tubes can typically take more electrical abuse than transistors, as well, so a well set up 100W tube amp (that isn't smack up against its hard design limits) can be overdriven well past that 100 watts while (potentially) still sounding good. The SS amp, on the other hand, not only sounds harsher at this point, but is more prone to problems - if only because it probably *is* up against its hard design limits.

The things you referenced are considerations as well, of course.
 
#55,903
I have a technical question regarding chaining.

If you daisy chain, say 2 like Rumbles, FX SEND to FX RETURN, can you still hook up your pedal chain to the heretofore, unused FX RETURN and SEND on the respective amps? Sorry if this is rudimentary. It's making my head hurt trying to parse it out.

Tim
 
#55,904
Since moving to a mountainous national park type area I’ve had to negotiate all sorts of tracks & paths and crazy access to practice rooms. Went and got a Rumble 40 this week.
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#55,905
OK. Next question.

Last gig, I started experiencing the what-is-starting-to-sound-too-common buzzing seemingly emanating from the horn on my few-months-old R800c. More pronounced on certain notes. Contacted Fender, new R800c on the way*.

So the tho't occurred to me, "what if I swapped the neo speakers from the defective amp for the older gen speakers in my R210?" Then I'd have my 4x10 stack with 4 identical speakers. The defective R800c would then sound like a R500c (on steroids, as it were...).

Has anybody here done this? I haven't looked to see if the screw holes are even the same spacing. But the concept is intriguing. Is it even worth the effort? Theoretically or practically?

*Love the customer care. Having trouble wrapping my head around the waste.

Tim
 
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#55,907
trseal said:
I have a technical question regarding chaining.

If you daisy chain, say 2 like Rumbles, FX SEND to FX RETURN, can you still hook up your pedal chain to the heretofore, unused FX RETURN and SEND on the respective amps? Sorry if this is rudimentary. It's making my head hurt trying to parse it out.

Tim
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No. The return disconnects the preamp from the amp. You'd basically have your bass through Rumble #1's preamp into Rumble #2's power amp, and nothing feeding Rumble #2's preamp into your board into Rumble #1's power amp.

Now if your bass went through a Y adapter so it was plugged into both Rumbles' inputs, you'd have a stereo configuration with effects in one signal path and dry in another. But you could do that just with the Y cable, use send & return for the board on Rumble #2, and just use Rumble #1 as is.

Does that make sense?
 
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#55,908
Miles_ONeal said:
No. The return disconnects the preamp from the amp. You'd basically have your bass through Rumble #1's preamp into Rumble #2's power amp, and nothing feeding Rumble #2's preamp into your board into Rumble #1's power amp.

Now if your bass went through a Y adapter so it was plugged into both Rumbles' inputs, you'd have a stereo configuration with effects in one signal path and dry in another. But you could do that just with the Y cable, use send & return for the board on Rumble #2, and just use Rumble #1 as is.

Does that make sense?
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Yeah. I get it. Thanks very much.

Tim
 
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#55,909
trseal said:
OK. Next question.

Last gig, I started experiencing the what-is-starting-to-sound-too-common buzzing seemingly emanating from the horn on my few-months-old R800c. More pronounced on certain notes. Contacted Fender, new R800c on the way*.

So the tho't occurred to me, "what if I swapped the neo speakers from the defective amp for the older gen speakers in my R210". Then I'd have my 4x10 stack with 4 identical speakers. The defective R800c would then sound like a R500c (on steroids, as it were...).

Has anybody here done this? I haven't looked to see if the screw holes are even the same spacing. But the concept is intriguing. Is it even worth the effort? Theoretically or practically?

*Love the customer care. Having trouble wrapping my head around the waste.

Tim
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ON an 800c??? Man, I thought it was weird on a 100.
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
No. The return disconnects the preamp from the amp. You'd basically have your bass through Rumble #1's preamp into Rumble #2's power amp, and nothing feeding Rumble #2's preamp into your board into Rumble #1's power amp.

Now if your bass went through a Y adapter so it was plugged into both Rumbles' inputs, you'd have a stereo configuration with effects in one signal path and dry in another. But you could do that just with the Y cable, use send & return for the board on Rumble #2, and just use Rumble #1 as is.

Does that make sense?
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BUT!!! If you really want the FX in the FX loop, you can go bass into R1, R1 Send to FX input, FX output into a Y adapter, and run the two outputs of the Y into the two RETURN jacks of the two Rumbles. R2 Send would have nothing plugged in.
 
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#55,915
SoulReflection said:
Could you not just run the bass into the pedal board and then into the 1/4" input on the master?
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Yeah, certainly. I was interested in the technicality. One thing really nice I've noticed about the Rumbles is I have never had a noisy pedal board when plugged into the front of actually ANY of my Fender amps. I've seen them get quite noisy in some amps. Then only the FX LOOP would fix that.

Tim
 
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#55,917
Ottertail said:
Does running the amp at 1/4 output get you anything over just turning down the gain and master? Sounds to me like it works like a governor.
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The "Master" on a Rumble is after the preamp but before the speaker cab sim, the 2nd order HPF, and the delta comp limiter. The 1/4 power switch is where a traditional Master volume would be - just before the PA (after the limiter) - but it's broken so you only have 2.5 and 10 as options. (Where they put the master makes perfect sense; it's just a whole new class of signal processing that didn't exist back when the MV concept was invented.)
 
#55,919
trseal said:
I have a technical question regarding chaining.

If you daisy chain, say 2 like Rumbles, FX SEND to FX RETURN, can you still hook up your pedal chain to the heretofore, unused FX RETURN and SEND on the respective amps? Sorry if this is rudimentary. It's making my head hurt trying to parse it out.

Tim
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Hmmm, ... ... I think I came up with a "thought experiment" with a way to do what you ask. For the chaining, Send 1 goes to Return 2, leaving Send 2 and Return 1 unused. So, Send 2 could go to the pedalboard, then to Return 1. But, "alas" I hear you say "there is no signal from the Send 2, and for usual chaining this is true. Howsomever, you could use a Y connector to put your bass into both amp inputs, thus both Sends have a signal to put into the opposite Returns! No new advantages, and not very elegant, but it fits your request and, I think, should work! And, of course, as you can see, it's really just an unnecessarily complex way to get the same result as running both amps separately with the Y connector to both Inputs and putting the pedalboard in the FX loop of only one amp.​

trseal said:
OK. Next question.

Last gig, I started experiencing the what-is-starting-to-sound-too-common buzzing seemingly emanating from the horn on my few-months-old R800c. More pronounced on certain notes. Contacted Fender, new R800c on the way*.

So the tho't occurred to me, "what if I swapped the neo speakers from the defective amp for the older gen speakers in my R210?" Then I'd have my 4x10 stack with 4 identical speakers. The defective R800c would then sound like a R500c (on steroids, as it were...).

Has anybody here done this? I haven't looked to see if the screw holes are even the same spacing. But the concept is intriguing. Is it even worth the effort? Theoretically or practically?

*Love the customer care. Having trouble wrapping my head around the waste.

Tim
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I've not heard of anyone doing that, Timbo. But, if there does seem to be any theoretical or practical reason to do so, you may have just started an epidemic of warranty claims!!! :whistle:​
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