Fender Rumble Club

[G-Dog]

... ... ... While I have your ear, let me ask you a question. In inspecting the damaged cab, I did my research on how much it would cost to replace the tweeter.

I realized right away that the broken tweeter in the 210 cab is very different in shape and design from the one in the combo (although they would physically interchange) and has no part number. Now this would make sense since they tune the drivers together that they wouldn’t be exactly the same as the combos, but since there’s no part number or anything on the one out of the 210 cab in my hand, I cant verify. ... ...

Hmmm, ... Could you easily compare the look of your 210 cab tweeter to the tweeter in a Rumble 500 combo in a store by simply removing the velcroed front grill & no unscrewing anything? The store may allow that, and it may tell you something, whether the same or different. If the part number on your R200 combo tweeter is easily visible in that manner, maybe the same is true of a R500c. It's worth a try. Take pix of both your tweeters to the store and compare to an R500c and to a R115 cab?​

... ... ... I understand the cab is made in China and the combo is made in Indonesia, maybe that’s just a locality thing and the specific tweeter they have available where they build the cabs? ... ...

I don't have any info about sourcing availabilities or manufacturing localities to offer any ideas there. I have no affiliation with FMIC at all. I'm just a fan and satisfied customer.​

... ... ... The tweeter in my 200 combo has a fender sticker on it and a definite part number. It also maches the tweeter in the 500 combo. Do you have a good resource for what part # I would order or is the one in my combo actually an ok substitute over the plain cabinet? I’m leery about just changing components willy-nilly as I am sure they’re engineered to work together properly and they sound different to me. The one in the combo is smoother. ... ...

No, I don't have any resources on part numbers at all. And I agree that willy-nilly is not a good approach to changing parts. Usually only 7ender Authorized Service Centers have access to OEM parts. You should contact one about replacing the damaged tweeter. But they might just replace the whole cab instead!​

... ... ... All the web searches I’ve done so far keep coming up with the that looks identical to the one in my combo, not the plain cabinet.

FMIC is quite jealous of their OEM parts and precious few of them are available to the general public online. That's why I recommend the Authorized Serve Centers.

Good luck.
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[G-Dog]

Wait.... say what? Thats interesting. So if there isn't a significant difference of a 115 and 500C (which is 2x10). Then adding a 200 (1x15) to my 500C won't do much for it either as thats the same diff. ... ...

Hey! That's just my opinion based on my experience. It's not indisputable gospel. YMMV. Try the things you want and see if they work for you. That should be the most important opinion to you. Satisfy yourself.​

... ... If thats the case I think I'd prefer to ditch the 200 idea and go for the 500C + 210 cab route to get a 4x10 stack. Hmmm..... GAS pressure relief valve just cracked opened ..... pfffft.

Still thinking though. I love the looks of that 200 / 210 stack. But it seems a little tall and thin. I'd prefer short and fat (on a cab anyways). Assume I've got my 500 and 210 now. I wanna stack em. But I wanna lay em on their side first. Can I just lay some high density foam mating between them and walla? or do I need to mod them w rubber feet.

Try what you want and see if you like it. Different people do things differently. I don't see any big enough differences in what you're considering to rule anything out.

Just FYI, I added rubber feet to the side of my R500c to lay it on its side in my BassRumbMan stack with my Bassman 500 & Bassman 115 cab. I like the clean look of it.

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Good luck.
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[MustardRumble]

Hello everybody, first post on here. I've been playing bass for almost 30 years now and for the last 6 of those years, I've been using a Rumble 200 combo. I liked the sound and portability of it right away – mostly because I didn't have to hunt around for a good sound. Most of the time, I just switch on vintage mode, dial back the bass and low mids to 11 o'clock and call it a day.

But with some time on my hands, I recently started to play around to find new sounds. I thought that it might be fun to try and get something like a B15-sound out of it. TL;DR: Doesn't really work, not least because the EQ circuits are vastly different and the bass knob on the Rumble doesn't reach down far enough into subby frequencies. But I think the tone I got was interesting, so I thought I'd share. I've already added the setting to the tone pool spreadsheet as "Fliptoppy".

Longer version: Since I don't own a B15, I got the trial version of the Brainworx / UAD plugin and played around with it. I then used a BOSS LS-2 to make two loops I could switch between:
Bass into input, output into effects return of the Rumble.
Loop A: into the input of the amp and out the effects send
Loop B: into the audio interface, through the Ampeg B15 plugin (cab simulation off) and out again though the interface to the LS-2.

So basically, I could switch between the amp on its own and the plugin into the effects return of the amp, bypassing the preamp of the Rumble.

As I said above, the EQs are very different, so I could only approximate the frequency response. All the switches were off at this point, so no bright, no contour, no vintage. Then I thought that the plugin always distorts a bit, even at moderate settings. So I engaged the distortion circuit on the Rumble, which I had never found a use for before, and found out that you can dial back the gain and drive all the way and still get sound through the amp. Never knew that. Maybe still too much distortion this way, but the feel of the amp was much closer to the plugin.

I've only used it for practice at home so far and will have to see if it holds up at practice and gig volumes. So here we are, maybe some of you like it. The settings in clockface-numbers:

Gain 7
Bright off
Contour off
Vintage off
Overdrive on
Drive 7
Level 3
Bass 2
Low Mids 11
High Mids 2
Treble 7
Master as needed

 

[dORSY]

As I said above, the EQs are very different, so I could only approximate the frequency response.

No need for guesswork:
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found out that you can dial back the gain and drive all the way and still get sound through the amp

Yes. see: Rumble Frequency Specs for Controls, Filters, Loops, Line Out and Headphones

The gain is just a simple pot. (variable high/low imput "selector")
The drive is ... drive
And with the volume @OD You can match the output volume of clean and drive (or make it louder/quieter/or even use OD as a mute switch when set to 0!)

More freq info in the wiki:

Fender Rumble V3 Frequency Info(Rumble Frequency Curves for Flat Response EQ)

• Rumble Frequency Curves for Bass, Mids & Treble Controls
  • Rumble Frequency Curves for Bright, Contour & Vintage Buttons
  • Rumble Frequency Curves for Overdrive Controls
  • https://www.talkbass.com/wiki/fender-rumble-500-frequencies/
  • https://www.talkbass.com/wiki/fender-rumble-club/#31-fender-rumble-v3-block-diagrams

You might also be interested in the "tone pool":
Fender Rumble Club TONE POOL - A GoogleDocs spreadsheet of users' various amp settings

 

[MustardRumble]

Thank you, dORSY! I was already familiar with the wiki and the tone pool. I already added the setting to the tone pool a few days ago. What I meant when I said that I could only approximate the frequency response was that the B15 has baxandall-style tone controls @ 40 Hz and 5 kHz. The Rumble-controls however are of a different topology and work at different frequencies (as can be seen in the wiki article you linked to). So it will be very hard to accurately achieve the same results as with a B15 tone stack.

 

[Darrell Vachon]

For those of you who use a Tech 21 Sansamp Bass Driver (or any other DI) with your Rumble ... would you mind explaining how/why you use it?

I am contemplating picking one up, in part so I can have a more consistent tone when I play with a different (provided) rig over at a friends house. And I am probably ready to start putting a (small) pedalboard together.

But, also, after 3 months, I am still struggling to dial in the OD on the Rumble 500c to my taste (70's Geezer & 70's Dusty Hill) and wonder if that Sansamp is a potential solution (I have also contemplated the YYZ Shapeshifter). Maybe there are other Eq advantages w/ a bass driver?

I am new to this game, so my apologies in advance for asking very basic questions.

I recently bought the SansAmp BDDI V2 for that exact reason , to be able to get my sound on other back line amps with out having to mess with the settings. I got some great tones into the FX return of my R500c at practice but it took a lot of fiddling as compared to the easy to dial in settings on the 500. I then tried it at a gig with a vastly different amp. It worked well. I'm still thinking about getting a 500 or 800 head to bring next time and plugging straight into the provided cab. I find it much easier to dial in my tone on the Fender.

 

[G-Dog]

Hello everybody, first post on here. I've been playing bass for almost 30 years now and for the last 6 of those years, I've been using a Rumble 200 combo. I liked the sound and portability of it right away – mostly because I didn't have to hunt around for a good sound. Most of the time, I just switch on vintage mode, dial back the bass and low mids to 11 o'clock and call it a day.

But with some time on my hands, I recently started to play around to find new sounds. I thought that it might be fun to try and get something like a B15-sound out of it. TL;DR: Doesn't really work, not least because the EQ circuits are vastly different and the bass knob on the Rumble doesn't reach down far enough into subby frequencies. But I think the tone I got was interesting, so I thought I'd share. I've already added the setting to the tone pool spreadsheet as "Fliptoppy".

Longer version: Since I don't own a B15, I got the trial version of the Brainworx / UAD plugin and played around with it. I then used a BOSS LS-2 to make two loops I could switch between:
Bass into input, output into effects return of the Rumble.
Loop A: into the input of the amp and out the effects send
Loop B: into the audio interface, through the Ampeg B15 plugin (cab simulation off) and out again though the interface to the LS-2.

So basically, I could switch between the amp on its own and the plugin into the effects return of the amp, bypassing the preamp of the Rumble.

As I said above, the EQs are very different, so I could only approximate the frequency response. All the switches were off at this point, so no bright, no contour, no vintage. Then I thought that the plugin always distorts a bit, even at moderate settings. So I engaged the distortion circuit on the Rumble, which I had never found a use for before, and found out that you can dial back the gain and drive all the way and still get sound through the amp. Never knew that. Maybe still too much distortion this way, but the feel of the amp was much closer to the plugin.

I've only used it for practice at home so far and will have to see if it holds up at practice and gig volumes. So here we are, maybe some of you like it. The settings in clockface-numbers:

Gain 7
Bright off
Contour off
Vintage off
Overdrive on
Drive 7
Level 3
Bass 2
Low Mids 11
High Mids 2
Treble 7
Master as needed

Wow, Rumbley! @MustardRumble, you are now member #1742 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. And I see you've already made yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

Thank you for your contribution to the Rumble Club TONE POOL. Have you tried the settings linked in that section of the wiki for the tone of the Ampeg SVT 4 Pro? Wonder what you think of them?

Also, being relatively new to TalkBass, you may like to browse some other groups and clubs here, too. You can go to the TalkBass Clubs & Special Interest Groups INDEX for a linked partial list of what this site has to offer.

And, Wow, your introduction has a lot of good background! But please tell us about your Rumble journey, if you would. What brought you to the Rumble 200 combo 6 years ago? You're gonna fit right in here since we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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[SoulReflection]

Hey! That's just my opinion based on my experience. It's not indisputable gospel. YMMV. Try the things you want and see if they work for you. That should be the most important opinion to you. Satisfy yourself.​

Try what you want and see if you like it. Different people do things differently. I don't see any big enough differences in what you're considering to rule anything out.

Just FYI, I added rubber feet to the side of my R500c to lay it on its side in my BassRumbMan stack with my Bassman 500 & Bassman 115 cab. I like the clean look of it.

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Good luck.
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EEK, move that logo on the middle one!

 

[G-Dog]

... ... ...

Just FYI, I added rubber feet to the side of my R500c to lay it on its side in my BassRumbMan stack with my Bassman 500 & Bassman 115 cab. I like the clean look of it.

Good luck.
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EEK, move that logo on the middle one!

Souly! IKR?! But look closer. It's not just the logo, it's the fabric orientation, as well!

That began my quest to (somehow) acquire a whole new grill assembly, with the proper orientation of the fabric and the heavier 3D logo in the proper corner. So, I purchased the fabric and logo and talked to a couple of woodworking friends, who considered it too trivial for their crafting skills! Thanks, buddies.

So I got some prospective frame materials and set to work. How hard could it be, right? Only to find it to be not-at-all-trivial for my skills! Then real life intervened, as it so often does. OK. I told myself that it wouldn't take much to complete it in preparation for the next time I deploy The Awesome BassRumbMan!

Then "that thing goin' 'round" came around, for much longer than anyone wanted. Even a bit now in recent days, ... still! And, alas, I've since had no call for my 700 watt Awesomeness. Very occasionally my Rumble Studio 40 has enough for a jam. Only a couple times have I even used the R500c, instead. So, my re-oriented grill project languishes in a corner.

Sorry for the long confession.
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[MustardRumble]

Thanks for the warm welcome, @G-Dog ! Will try that SVT setting, for sure. If I remember correctly, you guys convinced me to buy one.

Before the Rumble, I used to play (and still own) a 600 Watt beast of a Trace Elliot full stack. What can I say? Those were the 90s. But once your spinal discs start herniating, transporting that beast becomes less fun. As a matter of fact, I even quit bass playing for a while. And when I started again, I looked for something more lightweight that still provided great tone. So the Rumble it was!

 

[G-Dog]

Thanks for the warm welcome, @G-Dog ! Will try that SVT setting, for sure. If I remember correctly, you guys convinced me to buy one. ... ...

So, we truly don't know the far extent of our influence, since you weren't even a member here 6 years ago for us to address you directly! Long time lurker, indeed!​

... ... Before the Rumble, I used to play (and still own) a 600 Watt beast of a Trace Elliot full stack. What can I say? Those were the 90s. But once your spinal discs start herniating, transporting that beast becomes less fun. As a matter of fact, I even quit bass playing for a while. And when I started again, I looked for something more lightweight that still provided great tone. So the Rumble it was!

Ouchie, magoucha! I been there, too! Thank goodness for minimally invasive back surgeries! 6 years ago was my first. And another a few years later. But that's all, ... so far. Ah, the joys of The Golden Years!
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[SoulReflection]

Souly! IKR?! But look closer. It's not just the logo, it's the fabric orientation, as well!

That began my quest to (somehow) acquire a whole new grill assembly, with the proper orientation of the fabric and the heavier 3D logo in the proper corner. So, I purchased the fabric and logo and talked to a couple of woodworking friends, who considered it too trivial for their crafting skills! Thanks, buddies.

So I got some prospective frame materials and set to work. How hard could it be, right? Only to find it to be not-at-all-trivial for my skills! Then real life intervened, as it so often does. OK. I told myself that it wouldn't take much to complete it in preparation for the next time I deploy The Awesome BassRumbMan!

Then "that thing goin' 'round" came around, for much longer than anyone wanted. Even a bit now in recent days, ... still! And, alas, I've since had no call for my 700 watt Awesomeness. Very occasionally my Rumble Studio 40 has enough for a jam. Only a couple times have I even used the R500c, instead. So, my re-oriented grill project languishes in a corner.

Sorry for the long confession.
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No confession needed...it was just my OCD (and weird humor) getting the best of me .

Before scaling back and selling my R200C and R115 cab, I, too, had plans to match the grille cloth and logos of my R115 on its side. In fact, I still have the fabric. I also delayed that project because of my lack of fabrication skills.

Now if I needed a stack, I would get a second R100C (and black out logo to match the one I changed)!

 

[SteveAG]

EEK, move that logo on the middle one!

Or turn the bottom cabin upside down - to project a feeling of spinning/rotation ( kidding)!

 

[SoulReflection]

Or turn the bottom cabin upside down - to project a feeling of spinning/rotation ( kidding)!

I get that feeling just by bending over (gotta keep taking my meds)

 

[GonePlaid]

I get that feeling just by bending over (gotta keep taking my meds)

Or enjoy the 'trip'.

 

[G-Dog]

Or turn the bottom cabin upside down - to project a feeling of spinning/rotation ( kidding)!

I get that feeling just by bending over (gotta keep taking my meds)

Or enjoy the 'trip'.

See ya next 'fall'.

Hey, you knew somebody was gonna have to say it, right?
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[Enrique M]

I appreciate all the response to my Sansamp BDDI questions, here are some related questions about the Rumble 500c.

1. Is there a standard operating procedure to equalizing the volumes of the amp in OD and non-OD settings. I seem to muddle through it, eventually. But if there is "quick set up" I'd be interested to know it.

2. Would running a separate OD (Sansamp BDDI or any OD type pedal -- also looking at the YYZ shapeshifter) through the Rumble 500c (either direct or via Effects) simplify/complicate the process of equalizing volume?

 

[SoulReflection]

I appreciate all the response to my Sansamp BDDI questions, here are some related questions about the Rumble 500c.

1. Is there a standard operating procedure to equalizing the volumes of the amp in OD and non-OD settings. I seem to muddle through it, eventually. But if there is "quick set up" I'd be interested to know it.

2. Would running a separate OD (Sansamp BDDI or any OD type pedal -- also looking at the YYZ shapeshifter) through the Rumble 500c (either direct or via Effects) simplify/complicate the process of equalizing volume?

I was underwhelmed by the SCR-DI and SGT-DI I had. If I find myself needing a DI again, I would try the Sansamp BDDI.

 

[dORSY]

Is there a standard operating procedure to equalizing the volumes of the amp in OD and non-OD settings.

Yes. On rumbles (40 and above) the Level control is for that exact purpose in the OD section. Can even turn it to 0 for a mute!
2: if your OD has a control like the above, it's exactly as complicated as on a Rumble. If not, OD usually means a(n at least perceived) volume bump, hence the name OverDrive.

 

[Enrique M]

Yes. On rumbles (40 and above) the Level control is for that exact purpose in the OD section. Can even turn it to 0 for a mute!
2: if your OD has a control like the above, it's exactly as complicated as on a Rumble. If not, OD usually means a(n at least perceived) volume bump, hence the name OverDrive.

Wow, I have really been over complicating it.