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Fender Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800
- Thread starter G-Dog
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Another Jag / Stage player!. maybe we should start us an ultra exclusive club! Beautiful basses!
Going to an "Open Mic Band Jam" tonight with my guitarist. Format is each performer/group does 3 songs, then the next act. When all are done, you can go again. Guitarist will be on acoustic. The place has a PA, so we can just plug and play, but they recommend bringing amps. Guitarist will be bringing a small 25W Marshall. I'll bring my Studio 40 and my Yamaha TRBX504 bass, now strung with tape wounds.
A drummer is running the show and we may do a few harder, electric songs with him later in the evening. Hope the 40 can hold up, or I'll have to go direct to the PA.
A drummer is running the show and we may do a few harder, electric songs with him later in the evening. Hope the 40 can hold up, or I'll have to go direct to the PA.
Thanks G-Dog. We'll be doing Cinnamon Girl, Here Comes The Sun, and Ziggy Stardust as our first acoustic numbers. We have a pretty large number of other songs to choose from if we want to do a second short acoustic set and an even larger group of songs to choose from if we do some of our electric songs. Hopefully there's a drummer at the jam that's familiar with some of the songs we do.
Edit: For the acoustic stuff, I'll be sticking with "Day Tripper" (setting 98) and using the neck pickup only on my bass with the tone rolled off (not using the active settings on the bass). If we do some electric songs, I've got a few nice custom settings I can use based on the Rumble V3, the Bassman 300 and thr KGB-800, adding sine chorus, compression, reverb, and/or the 4-knob flanger as effects.
Edit: For the acoustic stuff, I'll be sticking with "Day Tripper" (setting 98) and using the neck pickup only on my bass with the tone rolled off (not using the active settings on the bass). If we do some electric songs, I've got a few nice custom settings I can use based on the Rumble V3, the Bassman 300 and thr KGB-800, adding sine chorus, compression, reverb, and/or the 4-knob flanger as effects.
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Wait, I thought that’s why we bought these Stage/Studio amps in the first place. So we didn’t have to buy all those pedals and boards!
Ha, yeah right! Where’s the fun in that?
I’m just starting to put together a midi capable pedalboard. So far I’m staying in the Source Audio ecosystem with the Ultrawave and C4. It’s being brought together with their Neuro Hub and using a Soleman for the switch controller. I also have their expression pedal to get some cool morphing capabilities.
I have the parts, now I’m just trying to find the time to sit down and put it all together.
Did our songs last night. We did just fine and the Studio 40 was way more than enough. It was ..... interesting. A couple of solo acoustic guys playing real slow depressing stuff, a couple of bands that took forever to set up with no energy, then us (we're pretty tight and play with energy. Almost everything we do is faster then the original artist does it, although we stick extremely close to the original artist's version other than that). And then a guitarist jamming with a bass player and drummer he had never met.
Since we are looking to add others to our band and get back to playing fully electric, the talent here was disappointing.
Since we are looking to add others to our band and get back to playing fully electric, the talent here was disappointing.
He he..I agree with you!! Although I use a lot of the Studios Modulation effects like Phasers, Flangers...
Ditto on the C4..Also a Joyo D Seed 2 delay,CKK infinite reverb and Neunaber Immerse 2 reverb..needless to say I play a lot of Ambient Bass..
I haven't really had much opportunity to play with all of the effects on my Studio & Stage, but the ones that I have been using are built into some of my custom made presets. I simply haven't had the need to add & remove an effect in the middle of a song. At least not yet.
That said, I do have a MGT-4 to allow me to quickly switch my amp models, and an EXP-1 (which I use for volume control on a couple of songs).
That said, I do have a MGT-4 to allow me to quickly switch my amp models, and an EXP-1 (which I use for volume control on a couple of songs).
I'm gonna ask maybe a stupid quistion. What does modeling do that can't be done with EQ, Compression, and OD?
Soooo much more! You don't just have one amp type that you can tweak the sound of with various tone shaping and effects. You have many. A Fender sounds different than an Ampeg or GK. Different Fender models sound deferent from each other. And so on.
Modeling can do, almost literally, anything that EQ, compression & OD alone can't do! The biggest, most noticeable, thing is modeling can add any kind of effects the programmer (not the user) has prepared, such as reverbs, tremelos, echos, distortions, pitch shifters (octavers), synths, etc., etc.
More basically, modeling can give you the overall sound of any of several different types & brands of physical amps that the programmer has prepared. Then it also adds the modeled controls for those physical amps to give the sound impression that you are actually using those different amps. Likewise with several different speaker cabinets!
To top it off, these latest
And all that is just with the base unit, itself! You can also still add real physical external effects (as discussed above) to tweak the tone even further, if that's what you want to do.
That's why, when people ask if they should get the Rumble 500 combo or the Rumble 800 combo (the Stage 800), they really need to know the big difference that modeling affords beyond just EQ, compression & OD. The 500 & 800 combos are not directly comparable amps. They are apples and buffets!
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Love your reply GDoG.. informative as usual..Yes the ability to instantly change to a different effect or sound immediately is awesome..
I have a certain query that someone infinitely more able than me may know the answer lol..
I have my physical stereo pedals going through the effects loop of my studio 40 as I play a lot of Ambient Bass and listen through headphones to bask in the lush stereoness of them etc..
However the virtual stereo effect pedals that are on the studio are not in stereo but mono when I play them.. Obviously this is because I have physical pedals hooked into the effects loop..but what is the technical reason or reason even that the modeling stereo effects are mono in this particular set up?...
I have a certain query that someone infinitely more able than me may know the answer lol..
I have my physical stereo pedals going through the effects loop of my studio 40 as I play a lot of Ambient Bass and listen through headphones to bask in the lush stereoness of them etc..
However the virtual stereo effect pedals that are on the studio are not in stereo but mono when I play them.. Obviously this is because I have physical pedals hooked into the effects loop..but what is the technical reason or reason even that the modeling stereo effects are mono in this particular set up?...
Hmmm ... ...
That brings up some qwexxions in my mind, Buzzy:1. Do you seem to be getting a stereo-summed-to-mono signal through, not losing one channel or the other?
B. Have you verified that the built-in effects you're referring to are, actually, in stereo in your h-phones without the external pedals connected?
iii. How, exactly, do you connect your external pedals? I believe the Studio's FX jacks are all TS (Tip-Sleeve, single channel) only, with no TRS (Tip-Ring-Sleeve, dual channel) jacks. So, then I would assume (hope?), for simplicity, that:
B. Have you verified that the built-in effects you're referring to are, actually, in stereo in your h-phones without the external pedals connected?
iii. How, exactly, do you connect your external pedals? I believe the Studio's FX jacks are all TS (Tip-Sleeve, single channel) only, with no TRS (Tip-Ring-Sleeve, dual channel) jacks. So, then I would assume (hope?), for simplicity, that:
a. You aren't using any mono pedals blending the stereo channels down to mono?
2. Every pedal has separate right-&-left inputs and outputs, so there's no TS-to-TRS conversions being made?
2. Every pedal has separate right-&-left inputs and outputs, so there's no TS-to-TRS conversions being made?
Does any of this jog any ideas with you?
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Hey GDog..
1: Yes the built-in stereo effects are in stereo through my headphones without anything going into the effects loop.
2:My two reverb pedals and 1 delay pedal have both left and right inputs and outputs,so completely stereo pedals..
But just so your clear with my question.
The sound from my physical pedals ARE in stereo through my headphones when they are in the effects loop..
But the sound from the actual amps built in stereo effects are NOT in stereo WHILE the physical pedals are plugged into the effects loop. Their has to be a technical reason in the amp for this..I'd love to know it and I'm curious if someone else has surely noticed the same thing as I or maybe not!!
1: Yes the built-in stereo effects are in stereo through my headphones without anything going into the effects loop.
2:My two reverb pedals and 1 delay pedal have both left and right inputs and outputs,so completely stereo pedals..
But just so your clear with my question.
The sound from my physical pedals ARE in stereo through my headphones when they are in the effects loop..
But the sound from the actual amps built in stereo effects are NOT in stereo WHILE the physical pedals are plugged into the effects loop. Their has to be a technical reason in the amp for this..I'd love to know it and I'm curious if someone else has surely noticed the same thing as I or maybe not!!
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Might be worth contacting
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I contacted them..Might be worth contacting7ender Support directly and asking about this. Doesn't seem it should be like that. Could be something wrong with your amp.
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Actually I have a theory..
I think the built in stereo effects are ACTING as they are in FRONT of the amp while the effects loop is being used with my stereo pedals.. Like if you had a physical stereo pedal plugged into the front of the Studio 40..It would be in mono because of the one input.. not two etc.. because it's going from the stereo pedals left output to the amps input jack..
This sounds logical to me...
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Well, the Tone App lets you place the built-in effects either before or after the amp, even without any physical pedals. Do the stereo effects of interest become mono by placing them in front of the amp without any physical pedals?
I would certainly hope that's not the case, but maybe you're right. It would require the modeled amp to then be stereo-capable itself (which very few, if any, real life ones are).
I look forward to reading the response you get from
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