yup.
the one way to do all of these things (in a profitable way) is to be the best musician possible. qualification is a self fulfilling prophecy for musicians. if you can sight read any big band chart no problem, you WILL get work.
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File sharing doesn't hurt musicians
- Thread starter AaronVonRock
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yup.
the one way to do all of these things (in a profitable way) is to be the best musician possible. qualification is a self fulfilling prophecy for musicians. if you can sight read any big band chart no problem, you WILL get work.
So you don't tip when you go out? Do the neighborhood kids have to wash your car for free? What do taxi drivers say when you tell them they offer a service, not a product?
DiabolusInMusic
Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism
From the person trying to justify stealing music?
You'll get arrested in some places for sodomy, you think that turned a bunch of gay men straight? Laws are not what determines what is right and wrong, they determine what we can punish people for.
Amazing how people seem to 'justify' their position. You either download music and pay little to nothing back into the system or you don't. So what? If my neighbour's unemployed or underemployed but has access to the internet am I gonna slag her/him for not buying those complete discographies that s/he rarely plays (or plays often)? Nope. What if s/he's wealthy? Nope. Would I talk more about concerts and local events if it were the latter? Probably. Would I show off neat merch (like golf discs, ulti frisbees, blankets, etc)? probably...the more of it I had.
It's not so much stealing as it is a lost revenue which is a big difference. My neighbour's not taking something away, s/he's not paying into the system.
Artists will continue to make their art and the system will only change. It's not the '70's anymore. There are scads of music schools pumping musicians out into the world. Music is being made in shards of genres and as a product. It's a different world with a lot of amazing music and a lot of filler.
When the record companies embrace music as they did years back (investing in and pushing a great product, not just the most profitable product) then there will once again be value in music for people to latch onto.
Until then it's really up to the artists and their communities to work together to keep music alove as an art form.
Can't afford to be a musician full-time? It's time to put your entrepreneurial skills to the test and make rent some other way. Find some backing, folks. You're not going to change anybody's mind whining on the internet about it.
It's not so much stealing as it is a lost revenue which is a big difference. My neighbour's not taking something away, s/he's not paying into the system.
Artists will continue to make their art and the system will only change. It's not the '70's anymore. There are scads of music schools pumping musicians out into the world. Music is being made in shards of genres and as a product. It's a different world with a lot of amazing music and a lot of filler.
When the record companies embrace music as they did years back (investing in and pushing a great product, not just the most profitable product) then there will once again be value in music for people to latch onto.
Until then it's really up to the artists and their communities to work together to keep music alove as an art form.
Can't afford to be a musician full-time? It's time to put your entrepreneurial skills to the test and make rent some other way. Find some backing, folks. You're not going to change anybody's mind whining on the internet about it.
Well in that case, why do you sell shirts and merch at your band's gigs? In fact, please tell us you refuse to be paid for the privilege of playing for other people. The rest of the band, too, right?
You've completely missed the point; In any other artistic medium, you expect that you can create art and hopefully generate some income to allow you to continue doing so.
The state of making music in today's world is moving to a point where you can't expect to get some fair compensation for your talent. In fact, quite the opposite; don't expect to make any money doing what you might love and be good at. Why is music singled out like this? Why not potters or jewelers or portrait painters? So don't say, "Oh, just find some backing". That's just Pollyannish 'pie-in-the-sky' nonsense.
Sorry; quoted the wrong person:
Well in that case, why do you sell shirts and merch at your band's gigs? In fact, please tell us you refuse to be paid for the privilege of playing for other people. The rest of the band, too, right?
There I copied your property . It's right above this in QUOTE tagsWhat was stolen from you?
Nice
Difference is - it is the "lawyers to psychologists" that choose to do business that way, and THEY determine what is to be paid by the client for their service - not the other way around - POOR argument !
Good for you - you can choose not to make money off of your labor - just don't make that decision for me as I like to get paid.
Indeed.
One is the result of another.
No, your neighbor is stealing. Revenue opportunities have nothing to do with it.
Ironically, it was because they put out such a valuable and desirable product that people began stealing it when they could feasibly do so. There won't be anybody willing to invest in art if there is no return in doing so.
I am not demanding a living from the world, I am defending my right as a human being to receive value for my work in the face of demand for it.
There is no free lunch. Someone is going to lose. If a song is in public domain, that is one thing. If a song has a current copyright it is theft.
So if we use authors in place of musicians and books in place of albums does it change your point of view? Both create original works of "intellectual property" in physical and digital mediums. So far everyone seems to agree that taking a physical CD or vinyl LP without rendering payment is theft, but downloading the content in digital format is under debate by some as to whether or not it's theft.
What about a book? If you take a physical book without rendering payment, it is theft. What of you download the book in digital format without rendering payment? Is that theft? Have you stolen from the author? Last I checked, authors don't make money from merch and T-shirt sales; they make money by selling copies of their original material for you to enjoy as long as you wish. Additionally, if you want copies of their work in more than one format or multiple copies in the same format, you have to pay for each copy.
Just sayin'
What about a book? If you take a physical book without rendering payment, it is theft. What of you download the book in digital format without rendering payment? Is that theft? Have you stolen from the author? Last I checked, authors don't make money from merch and T-shirt sales; they make money by selling copies of their original material for you to enjoy as long as you wish. Additionally, if you want copies of their work in more than one format or multiple copies in the same format, you have to pay for each copy.
Just sayin'
Sorry for the lack of clarity, FT; I generally am in agreement with your business model. My "no it wasn't" was directed at the record companies for their failure to follow it. See: Jim Croce.
Record companies routinely took advantage of artists' ignorance of entertainment law...and to be fair, many artists share the blame for ignoring it so why wouldn't a profit-driven company milk them for all they're worth?
..so then along comes file-sharing and the listeners use record company abuse as a precedent for stealing the artists' works citing that the theft of an artists' work by Person B is somehow righteous retribution for the theft of the artists' work by Person A.
"Hey, that man just stole your money!...that's evil and wrong! I will rescue you by taking more of it against your will!"
