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Fill in drummer - would rather not play than use this guy again....

While I freely acknowledge that once the actual gig begins almost anything is possible, I also think that the key to establishing control is what happens before the start of the gig. Or perhaps more accurately in this case, what didn't happen before the start of the gig.

Too often this kind of situation develops because of a vacuum between what is actually expected of the sub...and what the sub thinks is expected of him, or what the sub thinks he can get away with on the gig - once the actual playing has begun, and the band is dependent upon him. If any douchebag behavior is apt to erupt, the douchebag will generally wait until that moment of maximum band vulnerability to bring out the worst of it.

When this happens, more often than not it is due to a bandleader who is afraid to lead, or doesn't know how to lead. Ideally, every sub should be well-vetted well in advance of the gig. But when that isn't possible, the bandleader should sit the guy down beforehand, and essentially lay it out for him: 1) We don't know you well, but we're giving you a chance, so please don't abuse our trust; 2) Here are the requirements for the gig, please execute them like a pro, and don't go off-script; and 3) If all else fails, you go rogue, and my efforts to rein you in should fail, I reserve the right to take a brief break, dismiss you from the gig, immediately and on the spot, order you off the bandstand with your gear, and send you home without pay.

Clearly that's not such a good option in the case of a drummer - but it's not out of the realm of possibility either, depending on the musical scenario. If it comes to firing the sub right there on the spot, then sure your band's reputation will take a hit. But if you continue to struggle through a gig that has turned into a complete and disaster, won't that damage your band's reputation too? Won't it? :eyebrow:

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That indeed is a professional/appropriate way to handle it and I agree there wasn't alot of that evidenced in the pre-gig scenario described. If either of my bands needed a sub, we wouldn't get to this point - both bands have way too many originals to pull in any core player at the last minute - there would be rehearsals involved. In reality, if a core member (in our case, this is bass, guitar, drums, and at least one of the two singers) of my main band can't make a gig, we cancel it and find our own replacement act if necessary. I guess the exception for a drummer would be a monster player who we know well, have played with before (or at least one of us has) and we have all ratified him/her. I would also add that bands are not all used to a sub situation - your approach certainly is solid, but there probably alot of bands who haven't really thought through the pitfalls here. That's no real defense, but it is partially why I said your post was a bit harsh.
 
What a tool. What is it with drummers lately? Ours ruined my bands last practice.

Lately?

Finding a reliable, tempo-conscious drummer who plays to the needs of the song and isn't an asshat has been an extreme challenge in the two large capital cities where I've lived over the last 38 years. Considering that a drummer, much like a singer, is one of the main defining elements for a band and its product, it is almost heartbreaking.

Too many people who think it's as simple as take-stick-whack-drum caveman style, and not enough thinking musicians behind the kit is my interpretation.
 
Lately?

Finding a reliable, tempo-conscious drummer who plays to the needs of the song and isn't an asshat has been an extreme challenge in the two large capital cities where I've lived over the last 38 years. Considering that a drummer, much like a singer, is one of the main defining elements for a band and its product, it is almost heartbreaking.

Too many people who think it's as simple as take-stick-whack-drum caveman style, and not enough thinking musicians behind the kit is my interpretation.
I have been lucky to have played with some truly great drummers. I have only played with a couple wacko types none as bad as the one the OP. The drummer I play with now in my Americana band is very talented but at times has Wigged out like last week.
 
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I have been lucky to have played with some truly great drummers. I have only played with a couple wacko types none as bad as the one the OP. The drummer I play with now in my Americana band is very talented but at times has Wigged out like last week.

I just started a band and was inspired to do so by one of the best drummers I have ever worked with. He's also a smart musician and a centered individual. I am literally building the band up around him and filtering out any potential weak links that might dilute the product. That's how rare really solid time-keepers are in my experience.

I've worked with some good ones too, but I've also spent more than my fair share of time stumbling along with idiosyncratic dysfunctional drummers. Never again.
 
I just started a band and was inspired to do so by one of the best drummers I have ever worked with. He's also a smart musician and a centered individual. I am literally building the band up around him and filtering out any potential weak links that might dilute the product. That's how rare really solid time-keepers are in my experience.

I've worked with some good ones too, but I've also spent more than my fair share of time stumbling along with idiosyncratic dysfunctional drummers. Never again.
I hear you. Our drummer just sent out an email wanting a band meeting before this weeks practice. I'm sure its to go over the issues we all walked away from last practice. Issues he started.
 
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I am fortunate, I have a number of guys that I can call who are top quality players as well as individuals. At our Halloween gig last weekend, late gig pickup, we had to find a sub and wouldn't you know the guys on my list were all busy! figures. I end up getting a guy who is a local soundman we have worked with before that also plays drums to fill in, good guy too. Never heard him play before but he says he knows the songs on the list. Anyway, my night goes better than the OP's, He came in and did an outstanding job for us. Had to spoon feed him breaks and endings but it went extremely well and that's not easy for someone to do with us, much of what we do is follow the leader. He didn't have the flair of our regular drummer but I wasn't worried about that type of thing, he played the songs correctly and kept a steady tempo all night. Anyway, he has moved to the top of my substitute list now.
 
Sounds like we may have worked with the same drummer except the sub we got(few years back) had no mic to use(our drummer does no vocals). Guy we had was OK the first gig and a month or 2 later had major timing issues to the point of falling into the "impossible to dance to" realm. Sucks when you have to be the metronome.

PS: A Zoom H4 records every gig so even if bandmates heard things differently, I can email 'em an mp3.
 

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