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Flats -darkest to brightest list

Revision of revised Darkest to Brightest

Pyramid

GHS Precision

LaBella

Ti's

Sadowsky

Fender

Chromes

GHS Bright

Rotisound 77

Does look roughly accurate?

fantastic thread. i've been looking for this for a while. i play a 69 fender jazz for reference. here's my thoughts

Pyramid
Labella
Chromes
TI
Rotosound

I've been on a flats journey for a long time. Had the pyramids on there for the recent time. Great fundamental and low E, but not much attack and clarity. the D and G strings are too bright, the /A set is 45 65 85 105 and more balanced i'd bet but even tighter tension and less bright so super thud and thump city. the ultimate r&b flat IMO.

Labella FL i've had on and off for a while. they sound amazing when playing by yourself, but in the mix i just find they get lost. the mid scoop doesn't help a mid scooped fender jazz and it's all bottom end and even the highs get swallowed up. hard to hear myself at gigs with these.

Chromes - been a long time since i've had these on. i remember they were super bright for months and months. like i did a year of touring and they finally mellowed. when they had mellowed they had this burpy mids thing going on that i really liked on the jazz. the highs died a lot and there was adequate bottom. took forever though, like 3-4 hours a day for a year. afraid to try them again because the tension is so high (i got over tendonitis and play with a very light touch now) and frankly because i'm too impatient to play them for a year to get "the sound" to see if it's right.

TI - I have bought and sold so many sets of these. on one hand, fantastic unique tone very mid heavy, very woody sounding on a fender jazz. definitely lacks bottom end, i always had to raise my neck pickup E string side to get more low end output. low tension isn't a deal breaker, but you have to crank the truss up to counter balance and i always end up with either medium action and great tone, or perfect action and it's a little too bright and grindy since the action is so low with the tension. On top of all this, that A string just sucks. 100 E could be bigger to make up for the low end lack of output but it's not terrible, D and G are fine sounding, but the A string is so weak. you have to raise it so high because its so thin you end up getting low output. Some have said buy the Super Long Scale A and use that with the Long Scale set, it's thicker and helps with this. I haven't done that yet, maybe I will.

Ernie Ball, Fender, GHS precision, Rotosound - Nothing to write home about, bought them, used them for a while, didn't dig and forgot what they sounded like. not distinct enough for me. Didn't "jump" out at me.

I haven't tried sadowsky or DR. I"ve heard the DR are pretty thumpy and don't add much variation to the flats catalog. The sadowsky kinda intrigue me. I've heard they are like a thicker meatier thumpier TI sound. Very mid heavy but with bottom end. Well balanced. I might give those a shot and the TI hybrid set.
 
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Anyone able to throw DR on the scale somewhere? I've just gone back and forth from pyramid to TI (big difference i know) and i like the mids of the TI and woodyness but i dig the thickness and depth of the pyramids and the higher tension so i can have low action and get some insane 64th note runs with my right hand.

might try DR.
 
Anyone able to throw DR on the scale somewhere? I've just gone back and forth from pyramid to TI (big difference i know) and i like the mids of the TI and woodyness but i dig the thickness and depth of the pyramids and the higher tension so i can have low action and get some insane 64th note runs with my right hand.

might try DR.
I run my TI Jazz Flats crazy low action on my 35.5" NYBW Concert 6 fretless. DR are great strings but you won't get those TI mids that push through the mix. And I get my thickness from my head, a Warwick LWA 1000.
 
I run my TI Jazz Flats crazy low action on my 35.5" NYBW Concert 6 fretless. DR are great strings but you won't get those TI mids that push through the mix. And I get my thickness from my head, a Warwick LWA 1000.

you must play with a feather touch. TI are clanking and honkying like crazy even at medium high heights for me. im used to thick high tension strings, i'm giving DR a shot, just ordered some.
 
Pyramid
GHS
Labella
DR
TI
Chromes
Rotosound

I just got the DR flatwounds and they came right off. Holy tension batman! They said roundcore everywhere but the pack i got says hex core on it. They feel like Lo-Rider Flatwounds, tons of midrange (like a GHS) and bottom and some top end bite that i could tell would wear off eventually. The tension was similar to Labella 760 FM (.49-.109) which is too much for me and I tune down a half step :0 On the other hand, TI were too loose for me (just had those recently too). I'm going to give Labella 760FL one more shot before I give up and just continue with the Pyramids (.45-.105).
 
I've been on a flats mission for the last year or so and this page has been very useful. So far I've tried LaBella DTF and GHS Precision and found that after a few (3-4) months they do get dark and seem to lack definition and then it feels like I'm fighting to get them heard. It would appear I've picked the two darkest sets and the most mid scooped which is not really what I'm after.
So, how would people rate these strings in order of mids?
 
Lows support the mix but mids define it. Gotta have mids and I prefer not EQ boosting mids. It's best they come from the instrument and strings. I recommend TI JFs or Thomastik Flats or Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Flats. :-P
I can't offer meaningful opinion on the others but the TI JF is all about mids tonally and balanced tension. They also last a long time - as in years so they are cost effective. And the mids are not nasal or honky but full and balanced.
 
I've been on a flats mission for the last year or so and this page has been very useful. So far I've tried LaBella DTF and GHS Precision and found that after a few (3-4) months they do get dark and seem to lack definition and then it feels like I'm fighting to get them heard. It would appear I've picked the two darkest sets and the most mid scooped which is not really what I'm after.
So, how would people rate these strings in order of mids?

Labella are mid scooped, GHS are mid heavy as are TI jazz flats. Sadowsky supposed to have some mids too but i've never tried them.
 
Labella are mid scooped, GHS are mid heavy as are TI jazz flats. Sadowsky supposed to have some mids too but i've never tried them.

I get the same feeling from my GHS as I do my LaBella, maybe it's my Jazz bass and my technique. Am I right in thinking that Fender, GHS, LaBella have a low mid bump (200hz area?) and TI, Thomasik have a mid bump (800hz area?)?
 
Am I right in thinking that Fender, GHS, LaBella have a low mid bump (200hz area?) and TI, Thomasik have a mid bump (800hz area?)?

I'm no string expert, but according to my assessment as a flatwound enthusiast, Fender 9050s are not quite as dark and thumpy as the La Bella or GHS. I think the mid bump on the Fender is around 500 hz, where the "growl factor" lives. And that's why I like the way they match up with my Fender Jazz.
 
My previous couple years back post from this thread:
"They (TI JF) are all about prominent yet organic mids so while they are mid-pronounced, they are still smooth and natural. In a mix, they are right there - supporting with a voice - not mud"
...in other words, it's a broad mid prominence rather than a peaky 300, or 500, or 700.
 
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I get the same feeling from my GHS as I do my LaBella, maybe it's my Jazz bass and my technique. Am I right in thinking that Fender, GHS, LaBella have a low mid bump (200hz area?) and TI, Thomasik have a mid bump (800hz area?)?

I used to miss midrange and still do when analyzing tone. The best way I can describe it (not a low mid or high mid bump, but a boosted midrange) is thickness to the tone. Like girth and heft. The labella has a low mid burp to them but the rest of the midrange is scooped. GHS has a overall midrange boost and thickness to them. The fenders if they are new are chromes which have a high mid bump but the mids and low mids are scooped.

the fender jazz is inherently scooped, the precision is midrange heavy. that's why a precision has that punch in the gut thickness (midrange) while the jazz has the burpy punch (scooped tone).
 
I used to miss midrange and still do when analyzing tone. The best way I can describe it (not a low mid or high mid bump, but a boosted midrange) is thickness to the tone. Like girth and heft. The labella has a low mid burp to them but the rest of the midrange is scooped. GHS has a overall midrange boost and thickness to them. The fenders if they are new are chromes which have a high mid bump but the mids and low mids are scooped.

the fender jazz is inherently scooped, the precision is midrange heavy. that's why a precision has that punch in the gut thickness (midrange) while the jazz has the burpy punch (scooped tone).

I know the jazz has a scooped tone but I generally use a heavy bridge bias. I'm wondering if there is a set of flats that compliments or works well with jazz basses in particular. I know it generally comes down to personal taste but I like the sound of new flats and well worn rounds. Pressure rounds might be the better alternative.
 
Rotosounds start crazy bright but wear to complete thump with zero top end.

Sadowskys are like LaBellas with less scoop- a bit more growl and articulation with a bit less thump. They can imitate the Motown sound and be more modern as well.

I find brightness is only part of the difference, the mid character is as important for articulation and giving a string its voice.
 
I know the jazz has a scooped tone but I generally use a heavy bridge bias. I'm wondering if there is a set of flats that compliments or works well with jazz basses in particular. I know it generally comes down to personal taste but I like the sound of new flats and well worn rounds. Pressure rounds might be the better alternative.

ha funny i'm trying to do the same, have tried all the flats. i think the FL compliment it the most to be honest, i just ordered another set and will be going back to that as well.

yeah the bridge tone is the scoop my man. think about it. a precision bass and a jazz bass with the bridge pickup off is the same thing tone wise.
 
ha funny i'm trying to do the same, have tried all the flats. i think the FL compliment it the most to be honest, i just ordered another set and will be going back to that as well.

yeah the bridge tone is the scoop my man. think about it. a precision bass and a jazz bass with the bridge pickup off is the same thing tone wise.

By FL you mean the Fenders?
I thought the scoop was a result of the wiring of the pick ups in parrallel. People mention wiring a jazz in series gives a big mid boost. I considered the neck pick up being low mid based, as like a P bass and the bridge being more high mid/treble.
 
By FL you mean the Fenders?
I thought the scoop was a result of the wiring of the pick ups in parrallel. People mention wiring a jazz in series gives a big mid boost. I considered the neck pick up being low mid based, as like a P bass and the bridge being more high mid/treble.

i apologize, FL means Labella 760FL they are the slightly scooped sounding strings. Just solo your bridge pickup and your neck pickup and listen to the different tones. Just because the bridge is burpy doesn't mean it's middy. Tim Lefebvre played a Jazz solo'd neck pickup for a while (read some interviews) cause he liked that sound, now he just plays precisions because well it's that sound but beefier.