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Flats with roundwound sound?

Hey,

Been looking for some new strings. I Do like the feel of flatwounds, but i also like a percussive, bright tone. i generally play rock/alternative. however, i'd love to get better at slap, and want a good sound for it.
Would the D'Addarios be good? Or does anyone else have any suggestions?

PS: i use a Fender Precision '62 reissue, and i like thinner strings rather than thicker.
 
Here's an excerpt from a review of flats that I've used and posted on my site:

* GHS Brite Flats - dull grey in appearance which is no big deal but they were a pretty high tension string with a sticky feel. What I mean with "sticky" is that the edges of the ribbons felt sharp so my fingers wouldn't glide smoothly along the surface. This did improve after several weeks of playing as the strings got gunked up with dirt and finger grease. Right out of the package the E strings always felt like an oddball... they felt and sounded lifeless in comparison to the A, D & G strings. Despite their name I never found these strings to be very bright at all... just run of the mill flat average.

* Fender 9050 flats - decent strings at a relatively inexpensive price. All four strings felt smooth and consistant but sounded rather typical for flats. I guess they're great strings for that old MoTown sound because they lose what little brightness they have pretty quickly.

* RotoSound RS88 TruBass tapewound - super smooth low tension (yet thick gauged) strings. These are probably the dullest strings I have ever played but not in a bad way. RS88s are stellar sounding for that old school R&B and MoTown sound. Strike the string and they boom with authority and then quickly die. Don't expect sustain or harmonics from these babies... instead rejoice in the fact that these are probably the closest you can come to emulating the James Jamerson sound without having to play them for a few years first.

* RotoSound RS77 Jazz Flats - a fairly high tension string, not super smooth but smoother than the GHS Brite Flats. These strings sound a little livlier than the Fender 9050s with good sustain for flatwound strings. They also do a good job of ringing out harmonics. They are my second favorite string to use on my fretted and fretless basses.

* D'Addario Chromes (ECB84) - light gauge and medium tension strings with a high shine and super slick feel. These strings are my absolute favorite to play. They are consistent, don't have the clanky harshness of steel or even nickel roundwounds yet they have a welcome level of brightness and livliness not present in any other flatwound I've played. On a fretted bass these strings are convincing for slapping and on fretless they can growl and sing harmonics to satisfy most any Jacophile. Truly amazing strings!!

Nice- But, the GHS Brite-Flats, despite the name, are not a flatwound string. They're a modified roundwound, like D'Addario's Half-Round series. The critical factor is that real flatwound strings use a flat wrap wire, like a ribbon. Half-Rounds and Brite-Flats and Dean Markely's Ground Round Wound all use a round wrap wire, then modify the outter wrap after it's wound to flatten it out. The idea is to make a string that retains the SOUND of a roundwound with the reduced fret- (and figer-) wear of a flat. How well they do that is pretty subjective.

Two factors in how different flats compare are the space between the final wrap, and how the strings are built up. TI flats have a small space between each wrap on the string. It helps make the string more flexible, giving it some of the clarity that most flats don't posses. The other is whether the inner layers are flat ribbon wire or round wires. The flat inner wires contribute to a generally stiffer string and more dullness (in general).

Something I suspect in these discussions of flats is the difference between "twang" and just high end. I hate Fender flats because they're so bright sounding. They don't have the springy twang of a good roundwound, but they have a harsh and very bright high. I haven't played Fender flats since I stopped using Studio Bass flats in 1985. I tried a set of their more recent ones (9150s?) and even leaving them on for three weeks didn't tame them enough to make them attractive.

I really liked the sound of TI strings, and never thought of them as "dull" at all. They have a good amount of traditional flatwound thump on the bottom, but a really nice definite note in them too. But they don't sound that much like the traditional flatwound sound to my ears. That combined with the really low tension (too much difference between the feel of the TI strung basses and the other basses I use on stage) made me stop using them.

My first reaction to the OP all those pages ago is if they're tring to find a flat that's got some roundwound twang, then to try the TI, try some highly moddified roundwounds (Brite Flats, Half Rounds), and some of the less highly modded rounds like GHS and Ken Smith make (I don't recall the names they use but it's a round wound string wtih a rolled edge rather than a buffed wrap).

jte
 
I just changed pickup and strings on my stingray copy. I put on a set of chromes, and they are surprisingly bright. I played today for a few hours to see if I could reduce that zing, but with no success. Guess it will take some time for them to settle...

If you talk about the E and A strings, the most roundwound-like sound among the sets I've tried are the Steve Harris signature flats. So if you like working out with your thumb, these give you the best definition in my opinion. They go dead after a month or two, after which point they sound more like regular flats. The don't sound nearly as good as my Pyramid Golds I have on now, though. They're the best bass strings I've ever used, hands down. They have a more traditional flatwound sound, but with a nice balanced treble without the IMO annoying zing sound.
 
Man, I use Fender flats and while they were bright for a week or two, I don't find them that way at all now. Nice and thumpy.

I guess my mileage varies? :bassist:
No, that's my experience, especially with the 9050Ms: Dead in three weeks, stay that way for the next forty years.

The 9050Ls are a little brighter, but the G seems unbalanced.

In general, I tend to agree with the string mavens who find Fender flats inconsistent in quality.
 
Which flats get the better harmonics? I've only tried Labella and TI, but the LaBella seemed better, maybe it has to do with the higher tension.:confused:

POINT TO BE MADE THOUGH: Not looking for flats that have a roundwound sound just looking for the traditional flats tone that gives good harmonics with a wonderful thud when fingerstyle is applied

Being a flatwound whore I've found that Pyramid Gold Flats had very good harmonics. Rotosound Trubass are extremely good as well.

Honorable mentions go to the LaBella Jamersons (some of the odder harmonics don't ring out as well) Rotosound Jazz Flats (sample problem) and GHS Precision Flats (sounded a little hollow, but all the harmonics rang out pretty clear)

The Jamersons and Roto Jazz flats were good unless you use harmonics past the 7th fret (with the exception of the 12th fret) However if you're dead set on either of these I'd get the Rotos. The Labella's have a surprisingly amount of bum strings and their customer service is terrible. I refuse to buy their products.
 
Give the Chromes a try. I like them because they are bright and stay that way for a good while. I don't think they sound like Rounwounds, but I don't think your ever going to find a Flat that does. The Rotosounds are bright but very stiff playing strings,the Chromes are more flexable like a Roundwound. I remember Bass Player Magazine did a Flatwound string review back in Feb.2001 and called the Rotos sound "Unique", sounds like some people here read that.

LOL, I guess you're referring to me. I haven't read the article but I do have my own ears.

All Rotosound strings have a metallic timbre to my ears that is, well, unique amongst strings, I guess from all that iron in the alloy. I find the flats sound a lot like Swingbass rounds when new, but without the top end zing but with some of the clank. As they age they keep the same mids and lows but the highs recede and they sound get to sound a lot like very old Roto rounds to me. Although they dull out I don't find they get very thumpy.

So to the OP, don't expect them to keep that tone.
 
I have Rotos' on my Sting and the guys with whom I play did not like them at all. I am currently using a '57 RI with Fender rounds and it sits in the mix so much better. Everyone likes the sound. I wish I could find a flat that sounded like that too. It would be cool if I could test a P with TI's somewhere.
 
Being a flatwound whore I've found that Pyramid Gold Flats had very good harmonics.

Based on my experience with many different string varieties, it is hard for me to believe a nickel string could ever be better at harmonics than a SS (flats or rounds) but I guess there are many other variables at play here that obsure a true comparison, but thanks for the info.