Fodera Club Part III

[cnltb]

Thanks,
I want check wether or not I correctly understand.

1)You have 2 kinds of Brazilian Rosewood. One is "old" stash that you bought pre-1990 and the other is "new" stash.

2)You will use "old"stash when you build bass for them that bought it $1,300 or $1,750.

3)You will NEVER use "old stash" for someone who pay $1.050.

4)If there is one who wants "old" stash, Price is still $1,750.

conclusion is that two stash have own price.
right?

I have one more question. "IF" there is one who want "new" price but do not want to drop old stash, I agree with your opinion (second point you mention)

For anyone who wants new price and agrees to change their brazilian Rosewood from old stash into those from "new" stash, Can you reprice?

Thanks!

What now if someone wants an old board and is able to provide it themselves?

 

[Just Thumpin']

As long as it is up to our standards and they can prove that it was either acquired pre-1991 or that it is CITES certified if acquired AFTER 1991, we would be happy to build with it!

What now if someone wants an old board and is able to provide it themselves?

 

[Just Thumpin']

#1 = Yes

#2 = Anyone who has bought a bass prior to yesterday (with the price change) is getting wood from the old stash no matter what they paid becasue that is all we had...

#3 = for all new Brazilian orders at the new pricing, we will use wood from the new stash. We have so little left of the 100 year old stash that we were going to need to stop offering Brazilian all together later this year (thus the purchase of the new stash). For the very few pieces of the remaining 100 year-old stuff, yeah, we would likely price it at the higher prices if we decide to sell it at all...

Finally, if someone had a bass with "old stash" Brazilian and wanted new stash Brazilian, we would be happy to completely reprice the bass for them. However, because, in most cases, price increases for other parts of the bass will more than outweigh the savings from the new Brazilian pricing, customers are probably better off staying with the pricing they had...

Make sense?

Thanks,
I want check wether or not I correctly understand.

1)You have 2 kinds of Brazilian Rosewood. One is "old" stash that you bought pre-1990 and the other is "new" stash.

2)You will use "old"stash when you build bass for them that bought it $1,300 or $1,750.

3)You will NEVER use "old stash" for someone who pay $1.050.

4)If there is one who wants "old" stash, Price is still $1,750.

conclusion is that two stash have own price.
right?

I have one more question. "IF" there is one who want "new" price but do not want to drop old stash, I agree with your opinion (second point you mention)

For anyone who wants new price and agrees to change their brazilian Rosewood from old stash into those from "new" stash, Can you reprice?

Thanks!

 

[jclone]

I don't think.

Let's suppose price of Dual coil PUs changed. ($600 ->$300)
In this instance, your decision that is you won't do is let them keep a 2009 (or earlier) price for everything but the PUs and then ask for the new price on the PUs is make sense. (although I consider it to be too businessly.)

But as for brazilian rosewood, You have 2kinds of brazilian rosewood. and they just want another kind rosewood. (Of course both new and old same kinds of woods but you divided it.)
Why should they competley reprice? It is another option.

Of course, I'm not old coustomer. So I have nothing to do with this situation.. and I know "Policy" canNOT meet everyone's taste.

#1 = Yes

#2 = Anyone who has bought a bass prior to yesterday (with the price change) is getting wood from the old stash no matter what they paid becasue that is all we had...

#3 = for all new Brazilian orders at the new pricing, we will use wood from the new stash. We have so little left of the 100 year old stash that we were going to need to stop offering Brazilian all together later this year (thus the purchase of the new stash). For the very few pieces of the remaining 100 year-old stuff, yeah, we would likely price it at the higher prices if we decide to sell it at all...

Finally, if someone had a bass with "old stash" Brazilian and wanted new stash Brazilian, we would be happy to completely reprice the bass for them. However, because, in most cases, price increases for other parts of the bass will more than outweigh the savings from the new Brazilian pricing, customers are probably better off staying with the pricing they had...

Make sense?

 

[Just Thumpin']

It is actually much simpler than you are making it sound. In fairness to everyone, the customer and the company, since we lock pricing once a customer gives us a deposit, either all prices for an instrument change, or none change.

Let's take a hypothetical example...someone placed and order in 2008 for a Monarch 4-string Deluxe ($6,483 was the 2008 price) with a Brazilian Board ($1,200 in 2008) for a total list price of $7,683. Now they wanted to change to the new Brazilian Pricing ($849). Well, in fairness, we would also need to change the base model price to $6,999 (the new, 2010 price).

The total price for the instrument would now be $7,848 and it would not be in the Customer's best interest to make this change as they would be paying more AND not getting the 100 year old Brazilian that they originally would be getting...

Hopefully that makes sense....

I don't think.

Let's suppose price of Dual coil PUs changed. ($600 ->$300)
In this instance, your decision that is you won't do is let them keep a 2009 (or earlier) price for everything but the PUs and then ask for the new price on the PUs is make sense. (although I consider it to be too businessly.)

But as for brazilian rosewood, You have 2kinds of brazilian rosewood. and they just want another kind rosewood. (Of course both new and old same kinds of woods but you divided it.)
Why should they competley reprice? It is another option.

Of course, I'm not old coustomer. So I have nothing to do with this situation.. and I know "Policy" canNOT meet everyone's taste.

 

[rogerwilliamsen]

Are you saying that if say I wanted gold hardware instead of black hardware on a bass ordered two years ago, Fodera would re-price the whole bass according to the 2010 list?
Or does this apply to the Brazilian board only?

 

[jclone]

I cannot agree with your opinion.
If this apply to the Brazilian board only It does NOT make sence.
Because there will be exeception.

For example, Tom and Jerry ordered Fodera in 2008.
Tom's Fodera is Monarch deluxe with brazilian Rosewood FB.
Jerry's Fodera is Monarch deluxe with Indian Rosewood FB.
If Jerry want to change her fingerboard, Jerry can have two options.
1)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and New stash of BR ($849)
2)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old stash of BR ($1,499)

But according to your opinion, Tom canNOT have option 2. if Tom wanted option 2, Tom should pay - Monarch deluxe $6,999 and New stash of BR $849.
It is NEVER fair.
So I think Tom also should be received "Fair Chance"
1)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and New stash of BR ($849)
2)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old Stash of BR ($1,200)

because Tom has right to keep thier price and NEW price is for New Stash. So If Tom wanted new stash, I think He could buy it for new price also He could keep other price.

Make sence?

There are things tom and Jerry can NOT get.
First For Jerry.
1) Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old Stash of BR ($1,200)
Because she did not pay deposit for Old brazilian, She does not have right to buy Old BR for 2008 price. So if she wanted old stash of BR, She should pay 2010 price ($1,499).

Second, For Tom
1) Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old stash of BR ($849)
Because New Price is for New Stash, Tom cannot but old stash for "new" price.

Make sence?

From my point of View, Completely reprice is NEVER make sence.

What do you think about it?

 

[Just Thumpin']

Please keep in mind that we are talking about very few customers that will be impacted and rather than continuing to discuss hypothetical situations, rest assured that we will work one on one with each affected customer in an effort to develop a scenario that is fair for all involved. Thankfully we are a small shop and can take the time to deal with each individual situation. Please keep in mind that I personally have an instrument on order with a Brazilian FB and I paid last year's price for the 100 year old Brazilian (yes, I get a discount...but the price is still based on overall List). I am not switching my order...

I cannot agree with your opinion.
If this apply to the Brazilian board only It is NEVER make sence.
Because there will be exeception.

For example, Tom and Jerry ordered Fodera in 2008.
Tom's Fodera is Monarch deluxe with brazilian Rosewood Fingerboard.
Jerry's Fodera is Monarch deluxe with Indian Rosewood FB.
If Jerry want to change her fingerboard, Jerry can have two options.
1)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and New stash of BR ($849)
2)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old stash of BR ($1,499)

But according to you opinion, Tom canNOT have option 2. if Tom wanted option 2 Tom should pay Monarch deluxe $6,999 and New stash of BR $849.
It is NEVER Fair.
So I think Tom also have "Fair Chance"
1)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and New stash of BR ($849)
2)Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old Stash of BR ($1,200)

because Tom has right to keep thier price and NEW brazilian for is New Stash. So If Tom wanted new stash, I think He could buy it for new price also He could keep other price.

Make sence?

There are things tom and Jerry Can not get option.
First For Jerry.
1) Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old Stash of BR ($1,200)
Because she did not pay deposit for Old brazilian, She does not have right to buy Old BR for 2008 price. So if she wanted old stash of BR, She should pay 2010 price ($1,499).

Second, For Tom
1) Monarch Deluxe ($6,483) and Old stash of BR ($849)
Because New Price is for New Stash, Tom cannot do.

Make sence?

From my point of View, Completely reprice is NEVER make sence.

What do you think about it?

 

[Just Thumpin']

You know, as I continue to think through this, I understand what you guys are saying. I'll talk to my partners on Tuesday, but if someone actually did want to switch from the old stash to the newer stuff, perhaps it would make sense to just make that change and NOT change anything else...they really are two different materials. I guess as I am thinking about it, if someone wanted to drop from a Presentation Grade top to a 3A top, we'd let that happen. Thanks for pushing back. One of the reasons that the TB Community is so great. Cheers.

 

[jclone]

Don't get me wrong, I know it is VERY rare case for company to reduce their price. I really esteem your intend.
and.... Really Sorry Jason.. I missed Fodera is small company so they can deal it as per each individual situation. Also there might not be someone like Tom, And If there was Tom, You can personally deal it with him. also...Reviewing My word, It might seem somewhat rude. I didnot expect it. Also It is not my original intend..
I really do not want to be one who make debate Sorry to all folks who felt bad because of my thread, and especially Jason. also Thanks for your Open" and Kindness mind.

 

[Angus]

It's a bit of a silly pricing scheme, because it's not that you are reducing the price of the wood, Jason- you are just swapping it for something else. It's like if someone wanted to switch from the 100-year old BR to a maple fretboard- are you going to change their base list price? That would be horrific. If that happened me, I'd remove my instrument from the queue and get my money back on principal.

When you treat the materials as two seperate items (which they are)- rather than a price reduction- it makes sense just to reduce the price of that one component.

It doesn't make sense to charge them for the new list price of the overall instrument, because part of why they get that year's list price is because they've already given you a deposit, and they are being a) rewarded for giving you money in your pockets before the instrument is finished, and b) not being penalized for your lead times.

 

[thepontif]

Tom and Jerry? Really?

There was obviously meaningful content in those posts, but when you bring up Tom and Jerry in the same conversation as Fodera, all I can think of is the image of Jerry shoving the bass up Tom's a$$ and lighting it on fire. Then smacking him on the back of the head with a with a huge piece of OLD Brazilian until his tongue pops out....and of course his epiglottis is in the shape of a butterfly.

Tom and Jerry?

Couldn't we at least go with Phineas and Ferb?

 

[capnsandwich]

Tom and Jerry? Really?

There was obviously meaningful content in those posts, but when you bring up Tom and Jerry in the same conversation as Fodera, all I can think of is the image of Jerry shoving the bass up Tom's a$$ and lighting it on fire. Then smacking him on the back of the head with a with a huge piece of OLD Brazilian until his tongue pops out....and of course his epiglottis is in the shape of a butterfly.

Tom and Jerry?

Couldn't we at least go with Phineas and Ferb?

If I could sig all this I would!!! I'm rolling.

 

[jclone]

Yes My mistake and I'm rolling too, You really are a Man

Tom and Jerry? Really?

There was obviously meaningful content in those posts, but when you bring up Tom and Jerry in the same conversation as Fodera, all I can think of is the image of Jerry shoving the bass up Tom's a$$ and lighting it on fire. Then smacking him on the back of the head with a with a huge piece of OLD Brazilian until his tongue pops out....and of course his epiglottis is in the shape of a butterfly.

Tom and Jerry?

Couldn't we at least go with Phineas and Ferb?

 

[steubig]

Tom and Jerry? Really?

There was obviously meaningful content in those posts, but when you bring up Tom and Jerry in the same conversation as Fodera, all I can think of is the image of Jerry shoving the bass up Tom's a$$ and lighting it on fire. Then smacking him on the back of the head with a with a huge piece of OLD Brazilian until his tongue pops out....and of course his epiglottis is in the shape of a butterfly.

Tom and Jerry?

Couldn't we at least go with Phineas and Ferb?

haven't you confused tom and jerry with itchy and scratchy?

 

[jclone]

This is exactly what I wanted to say.
Because of my english,,, It was very hard for me to tell concisely..(I'm not American.. I think everyone who read my thread may tell "what is the point? )
Fortunately Jason understood what I said and he may revise his opinion.

It's a bit of a silly pricing scheme, because it's not that you are reducing the price of the wood, Jason- you are just swapping it for something else. It's like if someone wanted to switch from the 100-year old BR to a maple fretboard- are you going to change their base list price? That would be horrific. If that happened me, I'd remove my instrument from the queue and get my money back on principal.

When you treat the materials as two seperate items (which they are)- rather than a price reduction- it makes sense just to reduce the price of that one component.

It doesn't make sense to charge them for the new list price of the overall instrument, because part of why they get that year's list price is because they've already given you a deposit, and they are being a) rewarded for giving you money in your pockets before the instrument is finished, and b) not being penalized for your lead times.

 

[thepontif]

For the record, I was only teasing. I didn't mean anything substantive by it.

And yes, I guess Ichy and Scratchy......but where did they get their inspiration?

 

[steubig]

For the record, I was only teasing. I didn't mean anything substantive by it.

And yes, I guess Ichy and Scratchy......but where did they get their inspiration?

it was the more violent and lurid aspects of your description that made me think of itchy and scratchy. obviously they were influenced by tom and jerry . . . who somehow seem more wholesome.

 

[thepontif]

More wholesome on the surface anyway.....but the deeper meanings I'm not so sure. Either way, I love watching them.

 

[Just Thumpin']

I have been a 4-string guy since I started playing (in the early '80's), but a couple of months ago a unique trade opportunity came up here on TB and I acquired a beautiful early 1998 Emperor (personally, not through the shop).

The finish had yellowed and had some cracking around the controls and it had Lane Poor J/J's in it (I prefer Dual Coils), but I figured it was a perfect candidate for a complete restoration.

So, after many evenings of scraping and sanding, I present to you my first 5-string Fodera (only my second 5-string ever)...time to hit the woodshed and stop thinking of the B-string as a thumb-rest!

Fodera Emperor Deluxe (built 2/98)
Chestnut Burl Top
Alder Body
Macassar Ebony FB with Abalone Blocks
3-pc. Rock Maple Neck
Fodera/Duncan Dual Coil PUPS
Fodera/Pope 2010 Preamp
34" scale, 24 frets