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Fodera Club Part IX

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The very lightweight, low density top woods like Buckeye, Chestnut, some Redwood, Bogwood, some Spalted Maple, etc. act more like neutral filters than tone woods. Kind of like haze filters on a camera lens...

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Hey Jason, I was wondering if you could give an opinion on this ....that Chestnut is at least a little harder than Buckeye relatively speaking?

Thanks!
 
Thanks,
I guess it's the "neutral filter" thin I "don't get".:)

Well, you don't have to "get it." You can always buy an instrument with no top but instead perhaps a thick poly finish. IMHO that is way more of a "filter" than a fancy top would be with a thin urethane or wax finish but as they say in the car industry, there's a butt for every seat.
 
He's not saying he doesn't agree with what Jason is saying- he's saying he doesn't understand the terminology. Frankly, I don't either- if something is a "neutral filter", it should do nothing, as that would by definition be neutral. So I think he's wondering what, exactly, "neutral filter" means. Your response isn't really relating to what cnltb said, nostatic.

That said, in my experience buckeye doesn't seem to do much to the sound. Same with chestnut.
 
I finally got around to taking pictures of my basses. The one on the right is number #11 which I bought new from Vinny and Joey in March of 84. On the left is the new Matt Garrison which they built for me at the end of 2010. You may notice that it's a bit unique. :-) I wasn't sure which link to copy in from photobucket so if this one doesn't work I'll try one of the others. cheers.



ahh now I see, it should be the image link..

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He's not saying he doesn't agree with what Jason is saying- he's saying he doesn't understand the terminology. Frankly, I don't either- if something is a "neutral filter", it should do nothing, as that would by definition be neutral. So I think he's wondering what, exactly, "neutral filter" means. Your response isn't really relating to what cnltb said, nostatic.

That said, in my experience buckeye doesn't seem to do much to the sound. Same with chestnut.

I wasn't getting which "get it" he wasn't getting. :D

I think by neutral filter he means it doesn't impart a distinctive change in tone. Anything you do will change the way that vibrations propagate. If you have a body with no top vs a body with a top vs a body cut for a top without one, they all will have different mass (probably) and would have a different sound (albeit probably subtle difference). I think the " filter" provided by the "neutral" top would likely be closer to the no top version than the one cut for a top but lacking one.

And neutral doesn't necessarily mean "does nothing", but rather than it doesn't significantly color one way or another. As an analogy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_density_filter

Then again, I could be FOS :p
 
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I finally got around to taking pictures of my basses. The one on the right is number #11 which I bought new from Vinny and Joey in March of 84. On the left is the new Matt Garrison which they built for me at the end of 2010. You may notice that it's a bit unique. :-) I wasn't sure which link to copy in from photobucket so if this one doesn't work I'll try one of the others. cheers.

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Looks good. Are you diggig the ampeg portaflex
 
Don't those tops muffle the over all tone a little?
To me they appear rather card board-like. I have never glued Cardboard to any of my instruments, but that is the effect I imagine it might have
Putting something like that onto a musical instrument seems counterintuitive to me...
if it is the mere visual effect people are after, would one not potentially get better results rom a tonal perspective if one just painted that pattern on?
I am wondering since I personally have not had a chance to experiment.

I have several basses wth Spalted Maple and BB tops and there's no lack of highs on any of them nor anything approaching muffled tone. They sound like similar basses with no tops. IME it would take a pretty thick top to affect the tone.

I haven't seen anyone's paintwork that can approach what Mother Nature can do on a good day. It'll still look like paint vs. natural in most cases IMO.
 
Looks good. Are you diggig the ampeg portaflex

Hey Christian.. yeah man.. the Portaflex is fantastic.. I have the 115 and it is tight and full range. As soon as I plugged in, I realized how much I've missed sealed cabs and 15" speakers. I run with the horn off. As soon as I sell one of my Agulars (I have 2 of the GS 1x12's and a DB410) i'm going to get another one. It will be a 15" as well.
 
He's not saying he doesn't agree with what Jason is saying- he's saying he doesn't understand the terminology. Frankly, I don't either- if something is a "neutral filter", it should do nothing, as that would by definition be neutral. So I think he's wondering what, exactly, "neutral filter" means. Your response isn't really relating to what cnltb said, nostatic.

That said, in my experience buckeye doesn't seem to do much to the sound. Same with chestnut.

Exactly!
"I don't get..." as I intended it has indeed nothing in the least to do with agreeing or disagreeing but with understanding.
Thanks for clearing that up!
The term "neutral filter" is what I don't understand.
Neutral the way I understand it, would mean it is not doing anything and filter would mean that it is taking away something,filtering something...hency the confusion on my part.:)
 
I wrote the below quoted text on October 5, 4 days ago. I had every intention of having placed a YY Deluxe or YY Standard order by now, and I even had the dealer's phone number plugged into my cell phone; all I had to do was press the send button. But...I just couldn't do it. I've never been hit with such indecision about the purchase of anything, really. I know the easy thing to do is just put off the decision until...well, who knows how long. Maybe a better way to say it would be to just decide not to decide until I think I'm ready, and for the moment, just stop thinking about it. But there is something that is preventing me from even THAT reasonable decision. Could I be that there's just something about these basses that's just a draw that doesn't go away? :eyebrow: I promise, no more posts, here, anyway, until and unless I have a deposit to report!

"I have been thinking and pondering and agonizing, and thinking some more... Normally, I don't have issues with my financial situation, but sometimes it would be nice to be able to make decisions like this without a thought about the cost. That said, the cost of going Fodera won't change a thing in my life (like not being able to make a house payment, or sending my kid to school (tuition costs), or....)"
 
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