Fodera Club Part IX

[steubig]

Sorry for being frank, but I personally think this is all moot. If it's not an ACTUAL Fodera, it's existence probably only serves to make the real ones more valuable. And when you sell so many that you can't make them fast enough, and your backlog isn't getting smaller, what are you worried about? Nobody who WANTS a Fodera is going to be truly satisfied with a copy. Lot's of people who buy a Hyundai Genesis still want a BMW M3 or an Audi S4, and eventually will probably buy one when they can afford it. Chances are, if they buy a copy, it will only make them want the real thing worse, and eventually they'd buy the Fodera anyway. In a practical sense, I think the worst case scenario is, these copies have absolutely no bearing on Fodera or their future whatsoever, and best case, they help business.

i understand your point and there's probably a lot of truth to it.

my main beef: it's lazy and it's dishonest

my main "fear": someone who *doesn't* know the difference plays one of these, and complains about the "fodera" they played being a piece of crap and it goes viral.

 

[pringlw]

i understand your point and there's probably a lot of truth to it.

my main beef: it's lazy and it's dishonest

my main "fear": someone who *doesn't* know the difference plays one of these, and complains about the "fodera" they played being a piece of crap and it goes viral.

Yeah, what can I say? It just ticks me off. Probably more than it should given that I don't work for the company.

 

[cnltb]

Sorry for being frank, but I personally think this is all moot. If it's not an ACTUAL Fodera, it's existence probably only serves to make the real ones more valuable. And when you sell so many that you can't make them fast enough, and your backlog isn't getting smaller, what are you worried about? Nobody who WANTS a Fodera is going to be truly satisfied with a copy. Lot's of people who buy a Hyundai Genesis still want a BMW M3 or an Audi S4, and eventually will probably buy one when they can afford it. Chances are, if they buy a copy, it will only make them want the real thing worse, and eventually they'd buy the Fodera anyway. In a practical sense, I think the worst case scenario is, these copies have absolutely no bearing on Fodera or their future whatsoever, and best case, they help business.

+1

 

[chanson]

Yes, it IS in the works and should be done early in the new year. We actually found a fan of Tony's that was willing to swap his production slot with Tony so that we could get the bass done in time for a big gig that Tony wants to unveil it for.

It will have some very unique specs...that's all I am saying for now. Also, it is NOT a 6-string...

J

Very interesting. Can't wait to see it.

 

[gai113]

Sorry for being frank, but I personally think this is all moot. If it's not an ACTUAL Fodera, it's existence probably only serves to make the real ones more valuable. And when you sell so many that you can't make them fast enough, and your backlog isn't getting smaller, what are you worried about? Nobody who WANTS a Fodera is going to be truly satisfied with a copy. Lot's of people who buy a Hyundai Genesis still want a BMW M3 or an Audi S4, and eventually will probably buy one when they can afford it. Chances are, if they buy a copy, it will only make them want the real thing worse, and eventually they'd buy the Fodera anyway. In a practical sense, I think the worst case scenario is, these copies have absolutely no bearing on Fodera or their future whatsoever, and best case, they help business.

Your honor I rest my case.....

This is kinda funny because i can afford any car but buying a hyundai genesis cause they are hell of a car for the money! seriously check out the hyundai equis they are a beast as well lol

 

[j-raj]

Your honor I rest my case.....

This is kinda funny because i can afford any car but buying a hyundai genesis cause they are hell of a car for the money! seriously check out the hyundai equis they are a beast as well lol

The Equus is loaded with some crazy extras... I have driven the Genesis 4.6 and it's pretty nice, nearly A8/7 Series coming from Hyundai.

... Can't wait to see or even hear more about what Tony Grey is getting for a new Fodera.

 

[DELACIUS]

So it's like this:

1. Buy a Fodera and rest for Hyundai
2. Buy A M3 and rest for "copy of Fodera"...

I would go for first one.. (actually I did).
Ah, all those priorities

 

[KoaFodera]

So it's like this:

1. Buy a Fodera and rest for Hyundai
2. Buy A M3 and rest for "copy of Fodera"...

I would go for first one.. (actually I did).
Ah, all those priorities

3: Purchase a cheap reliable used Toyota Echo and have enough $ left over to own 3 Fodera basses.

Yes, priorities. Cars are just A-B devices IMHO. Mind you, the new Ducati Panigale is something to lust after.

 

[sps500]

Yes, priorities. Cars are just A-B devices IMHO. Mind you, the new Ducati Panigale is something to lust after.[/QUOTE]

I feel the same way!!!

Now back to the Fodera's!

 

[jsbarber]

What disturbs me the most is that at some point in the life of one of these copies it will be passed off as a true Fodera and some unsuspecting neophyte may pay a lot of money for one. The copier could prevent this with some kind of permanent marking (on the back of the headstock for instance) that identifies it as a copy, but he doesn't appear to have done so.


Jim

Sorry for being frank, but I personally think this is all moot. If it's not an ACTUAL Fodera, it's existence probably only serves to make the real ones more valuable. And when you sell so many that you can't make them fast enough, and your backlog isn't getting smaller, what are you worried about? Nobody who WANTS a Fodera is going to be truly satisfied with a copy. Lot's of people who buy a Hyundai Genesis still want a BMW M3 or an Audi S4, and eventually will probably buy one when they can afford it. Chances are, if they buy a copy, it will only make them want the real thing worse, and eventually they'd buy the Fodera anyway. In a practical sense, I think the worst case scenario is, these copies have absolutely no bearing on Fodera or their future whatsoever, and best case, they help business.

 

[KoaFodera]

Yes, priorities. Cars are just A-B devices IMHO. Mind you, the new Ducati Panigale is something to lust after.

I feel the same way!!!

Now back to the Fodera's![/QUOTE]

OK, so back to Fodera basses you say. Here is Olive's new companion. A sister to Hou's lovely Emperor.

 

[thepontif]

What disturbs me the most is that at some point in the life of one of these copies it will be passed off as a true Fodera and some unsuspecting neophyte may pay a lot of money for one. The copier could prevent this with some kind of permanent marking (on the back of the headstock for instance) that identifies it as a copy, but he doesn't appear to have done so.


Jim

Are they that convincing?

 

[KoaFodera]

Are they that convincing?

The headstock is wrong, the electronics are obviously not genuine but everything else from the photo looks pretty close to a real Fodera. As well, it looks as if he traced the body outline. The butterfly is the big affront IMHO. :scowl:

I'd say Mr. Copy Kat has over stepped his boundaries. Cease and desist if you would please.

 

[steubig]

Are they that convincing?

to you, me and any number ot guys who know a fodera bass from their ass, no.

to the uninitiated who may then purchase this and/or cast a "fodera" bass in un savory light, maybe.

 

[Robin Ruscio]

Here's a video review I shot today of a 2008 Fodera Emperor II Elite I acquired last month. It's a 25th anniversary limited edition with an unusual figured ash top:

Fodera Emperor II Demo & Review.mov - YouTube

Enjoy!

 

[Plunger]

Thanks for the great review! I commend you for playing a little before all the talk

I found your comments interesting about how you were surprised with how the neck-through was working for you. I am a big fan of the bolt on necks for their attack. I like to hear my fingers striking the string, even with a loud geetarist. Does your bass cut through to your liking?

 

[harrybosch]

to you, me and any number ot guys who know a fodera bass from their ass, no.

to the uninitiated who may then purchase this and/or cast a "fodera" bass in un savory light, maybe.

There are many who already cast real Fodera's in an unsavory light. Unfortunately not every bass that has come out of the Fodera shop has been perfect. I'm with Pope on this. I don't see it hurting Fodera in the least. And if somebody get's duped buying one of these thinking it's the real thing, shame on them they didn't do their homework. Years ago I came close to buying an R Bass that was pretty much an Emperor copy because I really wanted a Fodera and couldn't afford one at the time. In the end I didn't buy it because I knew I'd still want a Fodera eventhough the R was a great playing and sounding bass.

 

[Robin Ruscio]

Thanks for the great review! I commend you for playing a little before all the talk

I found your comments interesting about how you were surprised with how the neck-through was working for you. I am a big fan of the bolt on necks for their attack. I like to hear my fingers striking the string, even with a loud geetarist. Does your bass cut through to your liking?

I avoid loud guitarists at all costs, so I'm not sure. Having started in metal bands 20 years ago, I now prefer ones who are incredibly musical, find their own sonic niche, don't play 6 note bar chords, and keep their amps at a level that lets the sound man get a great mix. I'm very spoiled, actually.

I usually have thought neck through basses sound good on their own, but didn't have the punch to really groove when they were in the mix. This bass really kicks when you play it though, each note producing a distinct impact that feels really solid.

It doesn't have a massive amount of finger attack; it has a more full bodied tone like an URB, but it does have clarity and definition of pitch. I've been looking for something more like a traditional jazz guitar tone from an electric bass for years, not something that is clacky or bright. I don't actually like to hear the finger striking the string- I like to hear the core of the tone more than the attack and have worked with my technique and gear to get this.

This bass will be used more for jazz, latin, theater works, contemporary pop, fusion, etc. I have a Sadowsky bolt on jazz style bass I can use for rock gigs that are more aggressive sounding, though I think this bass would do that with the right EQ. I have used it with a pick and was very pleased!

 

[steubig]

There are many who already cast real Fodera's in an unsavory light. Unfortunately not every bass that has come out of the Fodera shop has been perfect. I'm with Pope on this. I don't see it hurting Fodera in the least. And if somebody get's duped buying one of these thinking it's the real thing, shame on them they didn't do their homework. Years ago I came close to buying an R Bass that was pretty much an Emperor copy because I really wanted a Fodera and couldn't afford one at the time. In the end I didn't buy it because I knew I'd still want a Fodera eventhough the R was a great playing and sounding bass.

yep, i know they're not all perfect. in fact, i've had experince with that.

but, the r bass you didn't buy you knew was an r bass. these things have a faux fodera logo on the headstock and (if i'm not mistaken) these things are in a part of the world where the basses are even less common than they are here.

and the fact that there are already those who do put fodera in an unsavory light unscores my point, imho.

nonetheless, my original point is that it's lazy and dishonest, and i think that opinion holds true.

 

[KoaFodera]

I'm keen on hearing Vinny, Joey and Jason's thoughts on this Fodera copy.