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Fodera Club Part XII

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I hesitate to give too much of an opinion until I get it in a mix. The Emperor is 34" scale, 19mm spacing which usually is a bit wide for my tastes in a 5-string. Messing around with it in the home studio leads me to a few thoughts:

- I prefer the Monarch body shape, but so far this is more comfortable to me than other offset bodies I've played in the past

- this is crotch walnut over alder with ebony finger board. The YYD is chambered walnut body and ebony fingerboard. My other Monarch is koa over alder with Braz rosewood. I used to not be a fan of ebony in fretted basses until getting the YYD. But now I think it is my preferred fingerboard.

- the dual coils are a different beast than the PJ setup. I find that I like the bridge pup in dual coil mode. With the YYD when I roll onto the bridge pup I add some bass and mids to fatten it up. No need to do that with the dual coil. I'm still messing around with the bridge pup setting. Truth be told the P pup is the sound I hear in my head most of the time, and the dual coil doesn't quite do that. It does have a nice focused sound though and I suspect I'll like it in a mix. With the pups 50/50 I like it in single coil mode - I'm not a JJ bass fan and the dual coils with the coils split sound to me like what a JJ bass *should* sound like but doesn't (more mid punch).

- the neck feels great, though it is fairly wide (compared to my 4-bangers). The good thing is that it is fairly thin and easy to navigate. I've been playing nothing but 4s lately though, so it is an adjustment.

- I think 34" is the right scale length for a 5-string (B-G). I've never really like the G string on the 35" scale basses I've owned. This one sounds right. The B-string isn't boomy - it is nicely balanced. Right now it is set up dead flat so you can't dig into the B-string. Requires a lighter touch. That is a big part of getting a new instrument imho. I know in the past I've been quick to dismiss a bass, mostly because I didn't give enough time to get to know the instrument and how to work it most effectively.

- one good thing about the 19mm spacing - this thing is really easy to slap.

My hunch is that I may end up looking to trade for a Monarch 5 since I prefer that body shape. This thing is gorgeous though and is absolutely dead mint (built in Feb '12). Since I'm woodshedding a couple of hours a day I'm finding it easier to switch back and forth between instruments. I'll gig this one this weekend and find out more. My hunch is that the dual coils will be great in a mix.
 
Thanks for the thoughts! Have you tried the neck pup in dual coil mode with a little bass boost and slight mid cut for a P-sound approximation?

I am dying to know if you decide to stay the course with this 5er or are more of a diehard Monarch guy (like I am). You know, you may want to touch bass (pun intended) with Chris out in San Diego -- he has a 5-string YYD with dual coils and 17.5mm spacing...would probably be great for you as a comparison...

Cheers,

J

I hesitate to give too much of an opinion until I get it in a mix. The Emperor is 34" scale, 19mm spacing which usually is a bit wide for my tastes in a 5-string. Messing around with it in the home studio leads me to a few thoughts:

- I prefer the Monarch body shape, but so far this is more comfortable to me than other offset bodies I've played in the past

- this is crotch walnut over alder with ebony finger board. The YYD is chambered walnut body and ebony fingerboard. My other Monarch is koa over alder with Braz rosewood. I used to not be a fan of ebony in fretted basses until getting the YYD. But now I think it is my preferred fingerboard.

- the dual coils are a different beast than the PJ setup. I find that I like the bridge pup in dual coil mode. With the YYD when I roll onto the bridge pup I add some bass and mids to fatten it up. No need to do that with the dual coil. I'm still messing around with the bridge pup setting. Truth be told the P pup is the sound I hear in my head most of the time, and the dual coil doesn't quite do that. It does have a nice focused sound though and I suspect I'll like it in a mix. With the pups 50/50 I like it in single coil mode - I'm not a JJ bass fan and the dual coils with the coils split sound to me like what a JJ bass *should* sound like but doesn't (more mid punch).

- the neck feels great, though it is fairly wide (compared to my 4-bangers). The good thing is that it is fairly thin and easy to navigate. I've been playing nothing but 4s lately though, so it is an adjustment.

- I think 34" is the right scale length for a 5-string (B-G). I've never really like the G string on the 35" scale basses I've owned. This one sounds right. The B-string isn't boomy - it is nicely balanced. Right now it is set up dead flat so you can't dig into the B-string. Requires a lighter touch. That is a big part of getting a new instrument imho. I know in the past I've been quick to dismiss a bass, mostly because I didn't give enough time to get to know the instrument and how to work it most effectively.

- one good thing about the 19mm spacing - this thing is really easy to slap.

My hunch is that I may end up looking to trade for a Monarch 5 since I prefer that body shape. This thing is gorgeous though and is absolutely dead mint (built in Feb '12). Since I'm woodshedding a couple of hours a day I'm finding it easier to switch back and forth between instruments. I'll gig this one this weekend and find out more. My hunch is that the dual coils will be great in a mix.
 
I'm selling a fodera 83 reissue near mint condition all original 2007 for 6000 plus shipping
 

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Holy moly! I got to play this one today. It is a tone monster. It's a deluxe 5-string with a swamp ash body, ebony 'board and ebony/holly top. It's #1 of 6 custom Yin Yangs Fodera will build this year. I'm not really a Monarch guy, but the Duncans in this one really set it apart from the others I've played. The tone is really rich top to bottom, but it really shines (for me) rolled a little to the bridge and a little bass and mid boost. It gets that throaty J tone and then some. I hope my upcoming Viceroy sounds two-thirds as good. (It should - it'll have the same pickups and electronics.) And it's available. Should I cancel my order ... naw, naw, naw.

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Holy moly! I got to play this one today. It is a tone monster. It's a deluxe 5-string with a swamp ash body, ebony 'board and ebony/holly top. It's #1 of 6 custom Yin Yangs Fodera will build this year. I'm not really a Monarch guy, but the Duncans in this one really set it apart from the others I've played. The tone is really rich top to bottom, but it really shines (for me) rolled a little to the bridge and a little bass and mid boost. It gets that throaty J tone and then some. I hope my upcoming Viceroy sounds two-thirds as good. (It should - it'll have the same pickups and electronics.) And it's available. Should I cancel my order ... naw, naw, naw.

That's the one that Jason suggested I go check out. I'm finding that as I suspected, I'm not a 19mm spacing 5-string guy. And I really prefer Monarchs. This one may be too rich for my blood though, especially given that I have an MGS on order that will show up in a couple of months.

That said, the bridge dual coil on the Emperor just kills. What I really want is a P/Dual coil setup. I bet that doesn't work well though...
 
That's the one that Jason suggested I go check out. I'm finding that as I suspected, I'm not a 19mm spacing 5-string guy. And I really prefer Monarchs. This one may be too rich for my blood though, especially given that I have an MGS on order that will show up in a couple of months.

That said, the bridge dual coil on the Emperor just kills. What I really want is a P/Dual coil setup. I bet that doesn't work well though...

Thanks for your thoughts in your previous post! I am with you on the P/Dual Coil setup...Actually if I could get a great P bass and a killer Stingray (a la George Porter Jr. P sound but with that Fodera clarity and bite and Paul Spencer Denman Ray goodness) in one bass with the feel and depth and playability of my Fodera...Hhhmmm not sure if that has been done or could be but that would be my ideal bass. I am with you on the spacing. I love the spacing on my SR 5s not sure what it is but that's where I would want it in a 5...make me one in a 4 string YYD like the one above in Munji's post and a 5 string twin for it and I could be done... Be nice to have a pair with a maple neck in 4 and 5 as well if I hit the powerball tonight...lol!

Peace,

T
 
You know, I was listening to Scofield's "Pick Hits Live" the other day and was really digging Gary Grainger's Stingray tone. I'm totally loving the idea you guys are talking about - one dual coil pickup near the bridge to cop that sound, and one p-pickup... I have no interest in blending the two, just two have both options available. I'm wondering what the end result would be like, especially in a Fodera?
 
If you wire them separately with separate volumes (or switches) it seems like it could work, but you might have significantly different levels or some impedance issues. I would actually want 3 settings - P, bridge dual coil, and mixed. The last option might be sonic fail though.

btw, for those interested I have already determined that I'm a Monarch guy, and if it has more than 5 strings I want tighter spacing so the Emperor will be up for grabs.
 
If you wire them separately with separate volumes (or switches) it seems like it could work, but you might have significantly different levels or some impedance issues. I would actually want 3 settings - P, bridge dual coil, and mixed. The last option might be sonic fail though.

btw, for those interested I have already determined that I'm a Monarch guy, and if it has more than 5 strings I want tighter spacing so the Emperor will be up for grabs.

It would be cool to be able to blend them but I wouldn't have to necessarily. From my experience with Laklands I know it can work as they get really close with their 4-94. I am playing my 99' 4-94 now learning some stuff for a gig next week and I just learned Is it a Crime by Sade and I learned Good Love is on the Way by John Meyer (Trio) earlier tonight (Pino is a bad mofo!) I have both of those tones in this bass but I prefer the feel and vibe of my Fodera. Hey if Lakland can do it I know the guys at Fodera can do it better!!! The P tone on this 4-94 is a bit louder than the Ray and the Ray is not as big sounding as I'd like it to be. If I could fix those things and get those tones out of my Fodera I would be all over it...

I am definitely a Monarch guy! The body wears me just as much as I wear her. It just feels better to me than anything else I have ever played. I had an Emperor Deluxe years ago and I think back now it may have been as much about the feel of the bass when I played it as any other factor that made me move it pretty quickly...the Yin Yang is definitely my Yin Yang bass for sure...


Peace,

T
 
That's the one that Jason suggested I go check out. I'm finding that as I suspected, I'm not a 19mm spacing 5-string guy. And I really prefer Monarchs. This one may be too rich for my blood though, especially given that I have an MGS on order that will show up in a couple of months.

That said, the bridge dual coil on the Emperor just kills. What I really want is a P/Dual coil setup. I bet that doesn't work well though...

I believe the spec on this one is 17.5 mm. George measured it, and it looked real close to 18 mm.
 
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