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Fodera Club Part XX

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steubig said:
i'm interested in whether both coils in the fodera dual coils are j coils or not.

my custom dual coils (nordstrand shop) have one p coil and one one j coil.
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how do you define a "j coil" and how do you define a "p" coil? no offense, but there's lots of issues with the question you're trying to ask... i mean, a p pickup is actually a split coil... so if you're talking about a single p coil, that's only half the pickup.

and even if you limit the question to just the pickup types fender used, there are several that vary quite widely.

so i guess the question is, what are you really trying to ask?
 
#983
Vic said:
how do you define a "j coil" and how do you define a "p" coil? no offense, but there's lots of issues with the question you're trying to ask... i mean, a p pickup is actually a split coil... so if you're talking about a single p coil, that's only half the pickup.

and even if you limit the question to just the pickup types fender used, there are several that vary quite widely.

so i guess the question is, what are you really trying to ask?
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according to carey nordstrand (and i'm gonna paraphrase here), they are different constructions: one is "short and squat" (the p) and the other is not. if you look at them side by side, one is definitely taller than the other.

to get a fuller explanation, you'd have to talk to someone who really knows this stuff, as i'm not really up on it all.

in my dual coils, i have one design (p coil) in the front coil and one (j coil) in the rear coil. there is a decidedly different tone quality between the two.

my guess is that the fodera (most?) dual coils are based on the jazz bass construction.
 
#984
steubig said:
according to carey nordstrand (and i'm gonna paraphrase here), they are different constructions: one is "short and squat" (the p) and the other is not. if you look at them side by side, one is definitely taller than the other.

to get a fuller explanation, you'd have to talk to someone who really knows this stuff, as i'm not really up on it all.

in my dual coils, i have one design (p coil) in the front coil and one (j coil) in the rear coil. there is a decidedly different tone quality between the two.
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I think you're paraphrasing too much, or maybe you're simply commenting out of context. The reasons why a P pickup sounds so different from a J are many. One is typically a single coil single sensing narrow aperture design (J), and the other is a split coil (dual coils) dual sensing offset aperture design wired in series (vs parallel).

my guess is that the fodera (most?) dual coils are based on the jazz bass construction.
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I would not make that supposition at all.

You don't design a dual coil pickup by just taking a single coil pickup and doubling it. the electronic model doesn't work out that simply. You start with tonal goals and start doing math based on wire gauge/material, number of winds, magnet size/type and gauss ratings, number of strings you have to span at what spacing, etc.

That's kinda' what I'm getting at...

What are you really trying to ask?

Are you just wanting to know if it'll sound just like a J bass in single coil mode? If so, I feel pretty safe saying no, BUT, it will have some of the same characteristics, which may be "enough". It is/was for me, anyway... and I'm mainly a J bass kinda' guy, tho I also currently own a P5 (one of Carey's, ironically) as well as several J and J-style basses (one is also one of Carey's as well). I've also done the PJ thing, but not the PP thing like some Spector 4 stringers.

But even within a true J bass pickup arena, per my earlier post, even within a fairly specific pickup type, the actual sounds can vary a LOT based on, again, wire, magnets, winds, etc. Carey's done a LOT with this (as have others), and one of his MANY projects with pickups was to find a way to fairly faithfully mimic a 70's J sound and a 60's J sound in a 5 string design (which is much harder than it sounds... you can't just add the extra length/poles... everything has to change).

Anyway, hope this helps.
 
#990
Because both are reliably available in good quantity...and it allows us to offer a light and dark colored "standard" top. Remember, we also purposely use words like "standard," but our "standards" are set very, very high.

J



Baird6869 said:
Jason,

Why are curly walnut and flamed maple the standard (or no charge) tops on the Customs?

Do you just have lots of maple and walnut in stock? Does the "standard" top wood change?

Just curious.... and glad curly walnut is no charge!:D
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#991
Construction, winding, magnets, tone...they are based on taking two really finely tuned, exceptionally executed J-Bass PUP's and placing them together so that they can be played in single coil or humbucking mode. Yes, we are targeting a J-Bass sound in single coil mode. Then, when played in humbucking mode they have their own, unique vibe...

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Vic said:
Ok, now I'm interested... in what way(s)? That they have two poles per string, or were they also literally targeting a J sound when split, or in other ways?
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#992
nostatic said:
The shop reports the water has broken and the second twin is imminent. I suspect around a 26 hour labor...
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Two Foderas in two weeks can you say sensory overload! Congrats Nostatic I can't wait to see the Brazilian Rosewood Monarch So Happy for you It is so cool to see people's dreams come true! Couldn't happen to a better guy.
 
#994
thanks jason,

this is what i figured, based on conversations i had with joey way back in the day about that being a tonal goal of sorts.

vic: for what it's worth, my paraphrase is of a direct quote from carey nordstrand in a conversation i had with him in his shop when we were putting together my pickups with p-style coils and j-style coils side by side. as close as i can recall, it went something like this:

"the p is a short and fat construction, the j is a tall and skinny construction—AND THEY SOUND THAT WAY." (caps for emphasis)

i was asking not because i'm worried about what the dual coils would sound like for me, i was asking because todd said he still liked a p style better and thought the basic construction of the fodera dual coils might be at the root of that.

my description of the p coils and j coils in my dual coils was based on actually listening to them, not theory—and the p coil sounds different *even though it's not in a split configuration*.
 
#995
-Timothy- said:
this one came across the wood top choosing process as well, much more like "nostatic" walnut top.

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Thank you for not choosing this top Timothy If this top is still around by January you just made my top choice very easy:D I love your Walnut top too.
 
#997
nostatic said:
While dual coils have their charms, frankly I still find that a P pup is my favorite.
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+1. i wonder if the DC wired in series would sound closer to a p pup. I should be getting my M4S next week and i will have to try that out. I would think in series it should sound closer to apbass versus the parallel wiring normally with the DC's.
 
#1,000
Still finding my way around the instrument. Funny because at home I was a bit unsure. Got it on the gig and was still struggling with it. Listened back to the recording and the struggle seems either imagined or worth it (I tend to think too much). One example

https://soundcloud.com/nostatic-live/klller-joe-roberto-cordereo

Different eq points than the YYD and still figuring out where all the tones are. Playing seated but I'll play it standing Sun so I'll see how it hangs. The Monarch body shape does fit me.
 
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