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Fodera or Fauxdera?
- Thread starter Nine-and-three-Quarters
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Wow. I wonder if that bassist was lying about the price. How much would the authentic Fodera model cost? If it's like $8,000 and he saw that knockoff for $2,000 I'd think he'd make damn sure he wasn't getting ripped off for something that really costs $400. Damn.
- Jun 6, 2012
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Not a derail but I just giged my beautiful CB 5 string D-bass and I cannot heap enough praise on your wonderful basses!!! I have NO need for a Fodera!
The knock-off/forgery industry is driven by a couple of factors, most notably greed. People like to get a "good deal", and some are obsessed with it. The suspension of disbelief happens when either desire ("I've always wanted one but can't afford it") or greed ("wow, this person is an idiot for selling this cheap") takes hold. Thus you have the white van speaker phenomenon - White van speaker scam - Wikipedia
For the buyers who are so blinded by greed, I have zero sympathy. For those who are young (or old) and stupid, it is an opportunity to learn that there is no free lunch. But people who willingly and knowingly buy these fakes are criminals, just like the ones who are selling them. It is not a "victimless crime" - the brand is diluted by forgeries. But some also find ways to cheat "the man" or their friends/family as well. Everyone has to navigate by their own moral compass, but I personally don't find any reasonable rationalization for buying/owning a fake Fodera, or fake anything for that matter.
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My mom was scammed by speaker guys years ago. She thought she was getting a deal when she got speakers full of sand.
Reminds me of my cousin who was at a gas station when a guy approached him with a "brand new DVD player." He said it looked like it was sealed brand new in the box unopened. The guy stated that it was normally $500 buck new and that he would let him have it for $50 buck. Who wouldn’t jump on that deal? My cousin without thought gave him the money (without opening the box to check) after all it looked brand new and unopened and it felt like it was in there. He proceeded to put the package in the car all excited. Filled up his car went home started telling his wife about the great deal he just got while at opening it up in front of her. They both quickly found out that they just purchased $50 buck of pebbles and rock all neatly taped down to make it feel like something was in the box.
Moral of the story....we all think we are smart and that it wouldn’t happen to us until were not and it does. And my cousin is a highly educated guy. I knew one guy who watched a TV show on a pyramid scam and later fell for the same one. Many of these scams go unreported because of the sheer embarrassment of an highly educated individual being duped so easily. They normally just eat the loss.
I have never seen a Fodera close up, held, or played one and knew from the headstock pic it was fake.
There's some food for thought right there. But since there are OEMs all over Asia, one factory churns out both Cort and a number of other brands, like cookie cutter, and they are original designs. If you thought that those Aliexpress or Chinese counterfeiters are alone you have - actually - the same coy manufacturing among real brands of repute in the electronics market and home stereo hifi equipment. I mean, there sure is as much "the other way around" as this Fodera. Companies covering up cheap internals with a flashy superficial facad and luxury logo.
Anyone remembers Lexicons huge scam with their THX verified DVD or Blue Ray player some years back?
Lexicon, a company of high regard, in terms of digital reverbs and effects processors, and home cinema 5:1 systems.
Lexicon's BD-30 Blu-ray player (retail price $3500) was identical to that of the Oppo BDP-83 (retail price $500).
The other way around? Greediness is currrently on a cheating spree.
Basically it's the same thing. Pretending to be something that it is not.
Lexicon BD-30 Blu-ray Player (Oppo BDP-83 Clone) Review
That bass could be a Cort covered up in Fodera clothing too...
If I bought that Oppo BDP-83 those remaining 3K could well get me a Fodera.
What I have read is that some of these factories, which may be making Squier affinities or other low end but still reasonable quality instruments from 9 to 5, will then crank out Chenders and Chibsons from 6 to 12. The Chinese have very different viewpoints on forgeries and fakes and intellectual property. It’s said that if your company opts to have your product made in China, that it’s guaranteed they’ll copy it. Often in the same factory on off hours as I mentioned.There's some food for thought right there. But since there are OEMs all over Asia, one factory churns out both Cort and a number of other brands, like cookie cutter, and they are original designs. If you thought that those Aliexpress or Chinese counterfeiters are alone you have - actually - the same coy manufacturing among real brands of repute in the electronics market and home stereo hifi equipment. I mean, there sure is as much "the other way around" as this Fodera. Companies covering up cheap internals with a flashy superficial facad and luxury logo.
Anyone remembers Lexicons huge scam with their THX verified DVD or Blue Ray player some years back?
Lexicon, a company of high regard, in terms of digital reverbs and effects processors, and home cinema 5:1 systems.
Lexicon's BD-30 Blu-ray player (retail price $3500) was identical to that of the Oppo BDP-83 (retail price $500).
The other way around? Greediness is currrently on a cheating spree.
Basically it's the same thing. Pretending to be something that it is not.
Lexicon BD-30 Blu-ray Player (Oppo BDP-83 Clone) Review
That bass could be a Cort covered up in Fodera clothing too...
Raising awareness among bass playing folks is a good thing, and I hope that people will think twice about buying a used boutique- level instrument without doing their homework. A quick email to Fodera with pics and serial number would have cleared up the matter IF the copy had been masterfully rendered. What is particularly annoying about this case, is that someone bought a sub-$500 bass and apparently flipped it for much more in the sale to the current owner.
A few years ago, seeing Jens Ritter's trade show video really opened my eyes to the level of detail that these knockoff manufacturers had reached, and to watch the Chinese sales rep dodge questions about the bass raised my blood pressure.
A few years ago, seeing Jens Ritter's trade show video really opened my eyes to the level of detail that these knockoff manufacturers had reached, and to watch the Chinese sales rep dodge questions about the bass raised my blood pressure.
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I know him, it’s not a real fodera, he usually buys cheap china basses and change the preamp/pickups but looks like he left this one stocked...That’s what he’s playing in this video...
I wouldn't and not because I'm street smart or anything like that. I simply don't trust anyone who walks up to me in a parking lot trying to "give me a deal". Even when I was a lot younger and naive I wouldn't trust those people.
That bass could be a Cort covered up in Fodera clothing too...
Not to denigrate the good name of Cort though, in fact they're so good they actually ghost build for many other manufacturers. These knock off Chinese basses don't look made to anything like the standard of a Cort. Take a close look at an Artisan model, a Rithimic or the new Frank Gambale acoustic to see just how skilled their builders are.
I guess you wouldn't be so derisive if it was your intellectual property being ripped off, though.
The amount that some folks will pay to learn a lesson varies.
I did find it amusing that the butterfly is partially covered but the Fodera truss rod cover isn't. "I wonder what kind of bass that is?".
If you're going to spend money on something having some knowledge of it is the least you could do. If this guy actually paid $2k for a bad knockoff and still doesn't know... heck, I'm tell him if I ran into him. Him not knowing any better gives him license to pass along bad info to the next guy.
I did find it amusing that the butterfly is partially covered but the Fodera truss rod cover isn't. "I wonder what kind of bass that is?".
If you're going to spend money on something having some knowledge of it is the least you could do. If this guy actually paid $2k for a bad knockoff and still doesn't know... heck, I'm tell him if I ran into him. Him not knowing any better gives him license to pass along bad info to the next guy.
Years ago, I was approached in public by a guy with some sob story about how his car had broken down and he needed funds to get back home. If I gave him money he would repay me once he was home.
There wasn`t even a "deal" in it for me!
