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Funk University Disappointment

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Have you been watching Bootsy's FU classes? What are your thoughts?

I have checked most of them out. And I feel that first it is good that some one who actually is a part of the genre, who knows what funk and it's culture is is at least making an effort to teach it.

The school is no different from any other music school that first starts up. You bring it to the masses and you share and teach.

Every music school out there can use some touch ups here and there. And most schools get better because they are open to wanting to get better. And that is what Soup Can Dan has let be known. And he has not been shy in letting it be known that hey FU is listening and willing to make things right. But we all know that you can't please every one.

I think that those with complaints could have taken another Route to express their disdain but they chose to bring it in nit picking fashion to tb. I find it funny that there are hundreds of happy customers at FU,while a hand full are on the war path to bring bad press upon FU. Guys you're wasting your time.



Does it need some touch ups here and there? yes.


But what new fresh off the ground school that was trying to meet opening day wouldn't.

There are better ways to complain about some thing with out taking a lynch mob approach.

Do the complainers think it would hurt Boosty or any of the other teachers if FU closed it's doors? I don't think so.

Boosty is on a mission to give back and share and he has done so in many ways just recently and on a regular basis and not just with FU


Kat's complained that to much emphasis was placed on explaining the one. Hey to this day there are so many bass players who have no understanding of the one that they couldn't fall on it if the were pushed on it.


And I would love for the complainers who signed up for FU,to explain to those who may be interested in knowing.


Why did you sign up? And what did you specifically expect?



To the nit pickers and complainers step up to the plate and do something positive with FU. If you feel it has short comings take it to the proper channels and see just what happens.
 
DISCLAIMER: I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH F.U. OUTSIDE OF RECEIVING E-MAIL SOLICITATION!!!!!!

If there are those that have disappointments, fine. I understand. Everything is not for everybody. My suggestion would be to be fair about the assesment, and attempt to resolve the issue with the staff. If only then you find that you still have issues, COMPLAIN!

I'm just trippin' over the complaints of the over emphasis of the one! If no OTHER funk-a-mental needs to be stressed, it undeniably has to be the importance of the one!!! We have heard soooo many people play their versions of what is thought to be "Funk" and not one time do they even flirt with the one!!! Can you have polka without stressing the 2/4 time signature (yes, I am familiar with polkas with compound or 6/8 time sigs) ? No, because it is a fundamental element! How about a Waltz in 4/4 instead of 3/4? You can have a break down all of the chordal progressions you want to try to explain MELODICALLY why a certain funk piece worked and totally missed the fact that it most cases it was the METER that made the funk work! Listen to this song, that is most assuredly FUNKY AS HELL, and can be epitomized as conceptualizing the notion that funk has very little rules outside of meter and emphasis on the one, yet it has no bass or drum to speak of!!!

Maybe later and I will explain in greater detail how it worked, but more importantly than me explaining it to you (which some wont get after the explanation, and others may choose not to for the sake of being contrary) is the notion that YOU as a musician find a way to fit within the realm of it, or leave it be!

There are so many styles of funk bass playing out there that it is quite probable that many will not encounter what their concept of funk is in the first month of enrollment. You have students of various backgrounds, talent levels, and understanding coming together at one point to receive what some of these masters of funk have amassed over a lifetime, with little to no assessment of the students level. Now add to that the level of expectation of the students, faculty, and administration...can one now begin to see how large of an undertaking this is?!?!? Give this a chance to develop. Let the kinks get worked out before calling this project a ripoff! Those are some really harsh words (calling the project some of the names mentioned here), that are probably being typed by some that would and have been content with receiving less while paying more...especially if it were some other name or face attached to the front of the internet marquis.

As to the issue of accreditation and merit of instruction, let me say that I have seen and heard more than my fair share of musicians with degrees from well known institutions that their playing would easily be described as less than stellar. Some of them hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, and the still sound no better that the guy in the gin joint that they turn their nose up at for not being able to read charts or understand that the flating of the seventh the key of C (which would be Bb for those not aware) has now placed him in a Modern Mixolydian mode (not to be confused with the Greek), nor does he probably care! His job is to make it work the best that he can! That piece of paper is not gonna play his instrument for him! What the graduate has is the pleasure of attempting to use the name and reputation of the institution as proof positive of their ability. Now is this my attempt at knocking formal education, BY NO MEANS, this is to state that instruction matters more on the application of the student than anything else! I don't care how and where you get it...just get it! Youtube, or in the garage...Berkeley, or Funk U... get what you need! I currently have professors that are brilliant, but totally suck in their delivery. Does it mean that the institution is poor, NO! It is up to me to extract what I need from that instructor.

I say once again if there are those that have disappointments, fine. I understand. Everything is not for everybody. My suggestion would be to be fair about the assesment, and atempt to resolve the issue with the staff. If only then you find that you still have issues, COMPLAIN!

As for the cats that have nothing invested in this, yet choose to sit on the sidelines and sling negativity...being an assclown may have helped certain political commentators achieve notoriety and fame, it never helped anyone at becoming a better musician. I shall salute those select few of you as close with a familiar line of mine...

Shutup and play something!:bassist:
 
I just thought about something...who in the hell would DARE to try to invalidate the credentials of Bootsy's Funk pedigree to say that he has no right to be called a Professor of funk?!?!? The only man that really could wield that kind of power would have been JAMES BROWN himself. If That nonsense would have come out of James Jamerson's mouth I would looked at him sideways (not that he would have said such a thing)!!!!
 
just read this string of posts and i see things have turned a corner in a positive way, but just to put my two cents in...

some folks want to hate just to hate...it's sad, but its a reality of life and its a reality when you are putting yourself out there and you're doing something big, you are asking for people to make snap decision and start posting stuff that they know nothing about or that they make a judgement one week into something.

here's the story though from someone that is actually loving the school...its pretty amazing and its new and its actually working on my playing. it's a lot of videos and stuff to go through, but that's what i'm paying for and i'm playing better already.
Funk University is hip as hell, no doubt about it.
 
People, both "haters" and "lovers", are missing the point, which is:

Does FU provide value as a learning experience for its students?
It's not "hating" to say "I checked it out, and I don't find that it's giving me value".

Is Bootsy eminently one of the funkiest people on the planet?
Absolutely.
Has he brought in some luminous and funky people?
No question.

Is the information they have provided in the first month worth the fee?
That's a question that can only be answered by the individual user.

For me, considering my available time and resources like MarlowDK (free or by donation) and MusicDojo (cost), I would say no. I've cancelled my subscription, though I'm paid through August, and if the content improves, I may resubscribe.

I totally wish them luck and success in tuning the program - the fact that it doesn't meet my needs or idea of value doesn't make it "suck" - just not working for me.
 
Sometimes the best players aren't the best teachers, and vice versa. If I were to take a lesson from Bootsy, I would want to discuss his philosophies and any abstract thoughts that he has on music and bass playing. I wouldn't want him to 'show me know to play funk.'

Actually that's exactly what he does in FU. I've been subscribed to it, and I find that the videos on philosophy are invaluable. There actually isn't a ton of specific song instruction or theory, but I have learned a lot. I just wish I were able to check every day as I'm backed up in the curriculum.
 
If it's hype for hypes sake - admit it.

Nothing wrong with hype, definitely something wrong with denying reality.

As my old man used to say - "Don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining"


Like I said if it's hype so what.

Hype is just as intricate to funk as is the one.

You and a bunch of others need to recognize the culture of funk itself. If you can grasp the basics of that, you would not have a problem with my post on hype.


And for the record for those who don't get it. There was funk before there was James Brown or George Clinton.

And that's not to take away anything from the more popular contributors to the genre of funk.
 
Could you expand on this (not saying I don't agree, but I'd like to hear your take on the idea)?


Before there was James Brown and George Clinton there was Africa. Which is the birth place of funk. Then there is the music of Sun Ra and the philosophy of Sun Ra. And some of the strong elements of Sun Ra's philosophy that George Clinton adapted.
 
How so, and according to who's definition of funk?


It's not according to who's definition of funk. It's just truth.

Do I have to hand you all the keys? Since you're not going to take my word. Why don't you take your time and journey onto some serious study on the origins of funk on your own. And see where it will take you. Once you have your own personal light bulb moment it'll make you a better bass player.


And no I'm not being sarcastic.


Funk origins started in Africa plain and simple.
 
It's not according to who's definition of funk. It's just truth.

Um, okay.

Funk origins started in Africa plain and simple.
The above quote, in my opinion, is an oversimplification of things and doesn't provide much of a concrete answer. To make such a claim one would first have to define funk. Otherwise what you're saying is just a platitude. Why did funk start in Africa? Because of the drum? Because of the cross rhythms? Because of syncopation? Because of the call and response aspect? Because of the hocket aspect? What?
 
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