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Future of Genz Benz?

IMO, the Genz Benz name doesn't have that much brand recognition, certainly not in comparison to Fender, Ampeg, Marshall, Gibson, etc. It looks to me that Fender bought GB years ago for the technology they were developing and now they're going to incorporate it into the Fender line of amps. Unfortunately for us who know GB that means it's probably the end of the quality and support that we've come to expect from GB.

No question that in terms of widespread name recognition, Genz Benz is no Fender, Ampeg, Marshall or Gibson. But in terms of reputation for quality, none of those brands is a Genz Benz either.

Fender, Ampeg, Marshall & Gibson are mainstream, mass-market brands. Genz Benz is a boutique brand. Different market. Different customer demographic. They don't overlap - very much.

By keeping the Genz Benz brand alive, as well as the Fender brand, FMIC can compete in both market segments simultaneously. But if they cannibalize Genz Benz in order to strengthen Fender, they likely lose much of the boutique business they might otherwise have gained, at least in the short-to-intermediate term. They lose much of the high-end customer loyalty they might have retained, with it probably taking a long time to ever win back. Meanwhile, the value of many of the new product improvements (presumably) will be lost upon most of their core customer base (i.e. kids without much money, who buy their gear at Guitar Center, Sam Ash & Musician's Friend).

In the short term, it's a lose-lose strategy, IMO. Long term, it can work. But only if Fender is prepared to stay the course for the long term, continuing to invest in the improvement of its brand by continuing to invest in new, higher-end, cutting-edge products. Eventually public perception will catch up - but not for a number of years.

Based on what I've seen thus far, I'm not convinced that FMIC can sustain the kind of strategic vision and tenacious discipline necessary to resist the pressure to take short-term profit, long enough to make such a strategy actually work. And if they quit on it before they've succeeded in completing the transition process, then they wind up with the worst of all possible worlds: having dissolved a winning brand, without having fully capitalized upon it.

You can't jump halfway across a ditch, as the saying goes. If you can't make it all the way across, better to stay where you are. :eyebrow:

MM
 
So no one has emailed Fender directly by post 81...hmm nothing to add then.

FWIW
Jeff Genzler is as far as I know still in Scottsdale. Andy was never in Scottsdale, never an employee of FMIC AFAIK. He worked with Jeff and Scott under contract and a OG member of the GB team. Andy may have been retained for consulting but I do not know.
In the last two years a lot of change has happened at FMIC, I haven't been there since NAMM
 
Genz Benz doesn't have anywhere near the brand recognition out in the real world as it does on talkbass or in small circles of professional musicians. There are all kinds of people who have never heard of it, can't associate it with quality because they don't know what it is, etc.

Now, you could pretty much be living under a rock and be aware of Fender, Ampeg, Marshall, Gibson, etc. Even brands like Gallien-Krueger, Hartke, Ibanez, etc. have a ton more name recognition.

Nothing against Genz, it's just the way it is. I don't think the brand recognition, or the name being tied to high quality is a reason for Fender to take it over. They make nice stuff, but just not that many people know about it to give that any real big value.


In my world anyway....
 
Oh, and mom and pop stores are making a comeback. They just have to figure out how to serve their communities in ways that Wal Mart doesn't.

+1. There has been a locally owned music store in my city that has been here since the ' 50's. It has seen the big dogs come and go. Service, lessons, fair price, and friendly owners who have been and still are, musicians themselves. And one of the first Fender dealers in the country. Recipe for success.
 
I've owned gear branded by Fender and Genz Benz. I always felt GB gear was made with a higher standard of quality. There was no comparison with customer service: GB's team completely blew away anything I've experienced with Fender. It was personal, direct, immediate, and focused. GB always treated me like I was an endorsing professional even though I'm a no-name ordinary bass player. So if Fender is eventually erasing GB, it will be nothing but detrimental to those of us who buy and play bass gear.

I own Genz Benz gear also and any questions or concerns to customer service gets prompt return calls with amazing expertise, I mean, you get help from the guy who designed the amp and knows exactly why it is built a certain way, not a guy reading a script while trying to deny your service.Also Agedhorse here is great at helping forum posters.
 
I own Genz Benz gear also and any questions or concerns to customer service gets prompt return calls with amazing expertise, I mean, you get help from the guy who designed the amp and knows exactly why it is built a certain way, not a guy reading a script while trying to deny your service.Also Agedhorse here is great at helping forum posters.

Huge +1. I own two Genz heads, both of which encountered small issues after tons of road hours and both were dealt with promptly and professionally.
 
Genz Benz is good stuff. Don't care for the looks/styling of the gear, maybe any change going on will include an upgrade in styling.

I'm endorsed by both companies (Fender/Genz). Neither are saying anything, but reading between the lines, there actually could be some very exciting developments...or not :)
 
I'm endorsed by both companies (Fender/Genz). Neither are saying anything, but reading between the lines, there actually could be some very exciting developments...or not :)

Well, they're certainly taking their sweet time about coming up with these new and exciting or not developments....like it takes all damn day to come up with a good Fender bass amp. They could just stick a Streamliner in a Fender case and call it a Super-deluxo-treminatornceton-o-verbachamp-o-twin-o-verba-sonicman....or something.
 
Well, they're certainly taking their sweet time about coming up with these new and exciting or not developments....like it takes all damn day to come up with a good Fender bass amp. They could just stick a Streamliner in a Fender case and call it a Super-deluxo-treminatornceton-o-verbachamp-o-twin-o-verba-sonicman....or something.

Genz-Fenz RumbleMAX 900.2
 
Looks like I have another reason to stay with Hartke. I bought my first non-combo, starter setup back in 2005. A brand new VX410 cab and a beat up used Hartke 3500 off ebay. It still sounds great today.

If I upgrade, I'll probably roll with a Hartke head of some kind going to either a fearful, DIY, or Berg vertical 2x12 or 2x15. All these companies going cheap is really killing the pool of quality amps for me. I was thinking Markbass until the customer service thread and I'm kinda souring on their sound. I was thinking Ampeg, but its just not my thing, and their newer cabs sound no better than my old hartke. I was thinking Genz for a head, but now I'm re-thinking that.
 
There are way too many players in the game for it to remain profitable for everybody. That's why you'll see many of the smaller players gobbled up by companies like FMIC. It happens in every industry where there's a boom in growth. After all, the easiest way to get rid of competition is to buy them out.

As someone mentioned earlier, the parent wants to own the intellectual property for use in all their product lines where it can help them be more profitable and/or capture more market share. If keeping the "boutique" name in the stable as a high-end brand makes sense, they'll do it. But if it becomes unprofitable, away it goes. It all depends who we're giving our money to.

But there are SO many players you tone snobs will never have trouble finding a boutique builder ready to take large stacks of gig money. Eventually a company like GB may fade away after being fully absorbed by FMIC - or they may stick around as a high-end brand for FMIC - but regardless, someone will be there to fill whatever void is left. If we fickle musicians turn our noses up at "post-FMIC" GB amps, something else will be there.

With bassists, I think name recognition can be a bad thing. Fender? Boring. Ampeg? Boring. Give me the new name nobody's heard of but everybody at NAMM said was awesome. That's the mentality. Give me the thing nobody else has...

...and then at the first sign of trouble I'll get mad at the manufacturer and go back to [insert name here - GK, Ampeg, Peavey, etc.] :p:bassist::smug:
 

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