Future of music

[hardtop]

Your larger perspective appreciated, and thanks for introducing me to that terminology.

Yeah I had no idea what this was. After using the google machine I found an article that listed the top 10 reasons why K-pop was so popular... Only ONE of them had to do with music; it was basically that they had generic catchy melodies. So I guess what we're saying is that the future of music is that it will be devoid of actual music.
Wondering Why K Pop is So Popular? Here are 10 Reasons

 

[Space Pickle]

music will be played by robots for a robot audience

 

[Son of Wobble]

Yeah I had no idea what this was. After using the google machine I found an article that listed the top 10 reasons why K-pop was so popular... Only ONE of them had to do with music; it was basically that they had generic catchy melodies. So I guess what we're saying is that the future of music is that it will be devoid of actual music.
Wondering Why K Pop is So Popular? Here are 10 Reasons

You lose me again with this point. You say that K Pop's melodies are generic, and therefore not "actual music." I don't follow your logic.

 

[hardtop]

You lose me again with this point. You say that K Pop's melodies are generic, and therefore not "actual music." I don't follow your logic.

I'm saying that only 1/10th of the reason people listen to K-pop is the actual music... and that 1/10th happens to be generic melodies. It's such a small part of the popularity that it's basically negligible. I guess I can revise my statement to be "the future of music has almost nothing to do with the actual music, and what little music there is, is trite, recycled, generic hooks that are devoid of any quality" does that work for you?

 

[Son of Wobble]

I'm saying that only 1/10th of the reason people listen to K-pop is the actual music... and that 1/10th happens to be generic melodies. It's such a small part of the popularity that it's basically negligible. I guess I can revise my statement to be "the future of music has almost nothing to do with the actual music, and what little music there is, is trite, recycled, generic hooks that are devoid of any quality" does that work for you?

It seems to me this same statement could be applied to a little girl going to see The Beatles in 1965. "She's there largely for the social aspect. The music is the least important elelemt at this event to her, she's there to bond with her girlfriends and in any case said music cannot even be heard over the screaming. What can be discerned of the lyrics is a banal series of romantic cliches punctuated by peals of 'Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.' This fatuous 'music' makes one yearn for the lyrical witticisms of a Noel Coward, the good old days."

 

[Nevada Pete]

You're not wrong.

It occurred to me shortly after my posting that I was flirting with a slippery slope that would eventually see me landing in a mud puddle of subjectivity. While my mind likes to play with abstract concepts such as "the epitome of artistic expression", it becomes difficult to defend rationally, at least without ending up writing a novel about motorcycle maintenance.

I still stand by my basic premise, that "popular" is not a synonym for "excellent". But perhaps that's okay - who am I to tell Joe Normal that he isn't fully enjoying what he's listening to?

I have to totally agree with you that popular is not a synonym for excellent. At least, not these days, it isn't. I think there was a time, though, when popular was at least more of a synonym for excellent. Instead, nowadays, the whole dang music industry seems to have just ground to a halt because there is no incentive to produce, release and promote new music like there used to be. So I have to concede that my theory of musical 'natural selection' where the 'best' releases tend to rise up on the charts by popular demand to exemplify great music no longer applies. There aren't any charts anymore, are there? How can there be charts if nobody's buying recordings? Charts of what?

Streaming? We don't need no stinking streaming! And Joe Normal is listening to one of our three big flame thrower 50kW 80's Classic Rock / Variety Rock / 60's and 70's Rock FM stations on the way to and from work. Or, he's listening to our new Oldies FM station that's hot as pistol right now! And yeah, he no doubt enjoying it because nothing can compete with that music. All the 20 to 30 something guys and gals I know prefer the legacy releases too, especially the Beatles. Ask them what they think of the new musical releases and they don't even know what your talking about!

And now, Eddy Money died. I knew him when he was Eddy Money and the Rockets in the San Francisco Bay Area before he released his first album. Nice guy. Never cared for the Rockets much. Didn't think they would go anywhere. Boy, was I wrong! When I heard the first album I could hardly believe it was the same Eddy Money. Incredible. Who is following in Eddy Money's footsteps now? Is it even possible for somebody to follow in his footsteps? That's what I want to know.

 

[Son of Wobble]

All the 20 to 30 something guys and gals I know prefer the legacy releases...... Ask them what they think of the new musical releases and they don't even know what your talking about!

All this proves is that your sample size is too small, fatally skewing the result of your polling.

 

[Nevada Pete]

All this proves is that your sample size is too small, fatally skewing the result of your polling.

You certainly could be right. I do know a lot of (what are you supposed to call them now?) young people though, although in a higher than usual income bracket. I find it amusing that they like me, especially the women. They no doubt find me more amusing.

I know rap has legs. Maybe I should re-subscribe to Billboard Magazine and see what they're claiming is going on now. I don't have the numbers.

 

[Son of Wobble]

You certainly could be right. I do know a lot of (what are you supposed to call them now?) young people though, although in a higher than usual income bracket. I find it amusing that they like me, especially the women. They no doubt find me more amusing.

I know rap has legs. Maybe I should re-subscribe to Billboard Magazine and see what they're claiming is going on now. I don't have the numbers.

These earnings from 2019 thus far include merchandise profits.



Kanye West has made $150 million off his music and Yeezy merchandise this year alone. Here's how the highest-paid hip-hop artist of 2019 made his fortune — and how he spends it.

The full list of the top 10 highest-earning touring bands of 2019 (as of July) so far is:

1. Elton John - $82.6 million
2. Pink - $81.8 million
3. Justin Timberlake - $75.5 million
4. Metallica - $69.7 million
5. Fleetwood Mac - $67.7 million
6. Ed Sheeran - $63.6 million
7. Kiss - $58.1 million
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra - $57.3 million
9. Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - $52.8 million
10. Travis Scott - $51.7 million

 

[DJ Bebop]

These earnings from 2019 thus far include merchandise profits.



Kanye West has made $150 million off his music and Yeezy merchandise this year alone. Here's how the highest-paid hip-hop artist of 2019 made his fortune — and how he spends it.

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The full list of the top 10 highest-earning touring bands of 2019 (as of July) so far is:

1. Elton John - $82.6 million
2. Pink - $81.8 million
3. Justin Timberlake - $75.5 million
4. Metallica - $69.7 million
5. Fleetwood Mac - $67.7 million
6. Ed Sheeran - $63.6 million
7. Kiss - $58.1 million
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra - $57.3 million
9. Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - $52.8 million
10. Travis Scott - $51.7 million

This is earnings not profits?
I'd be interested in some of the profit margins. I know they're not starving but how much is spent in production cost?

Like the family farmer who takes in $10 million but owes $20 million

 

[Son of Wobble]

This is earnings not profits?
I'd be interested in some of the profit margins. I know they're not starving but how much is spent in production cost?

Like the family farmer who takes in $10 million but owes $20 million

Are you calling for Kanye to release his tax returns?

When you consider how much Kanye's shoes earn for Adidas (1.5 billion!!), I would posit that he is not taking enough home.
In any case, the article defines Kanye's income from June 2018 to June 2019 as being pre-agent, -manager and -
lawyer costs. So you could deduct a conservative 30% off the top from that 150 million for those costs alone.

From Forbes article:

West has made an estimated $150 million in 2019 — almost double Jay-Z's $81 million, according to Forbes. The publication looked at pretax income from June 2018 to June 2019 before deducting fees for agents, managers, and lawyers.

But the majority of West's fortune doesn't come from his music, Forbes reported. His footwear and apparel brand, Invalid Link Removed in sales in 2019.

 

[Nevada Pete]

These earnings from 2019 thus far include merchandise profits.



Kanye West has made $150 million off his music and Yeezy merchandise this year alone. Here's how the highest-paid hip-hop artist of 2019 made his fortune — and how he spends it.

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The full list of the top 10 highest-earning touring bands of 2019 (as of July) so far is:

1. Elton John - $82.6 million
2. Pink - $81.8 million
3. Justin Timberlake - $75.5 million
4. Metallica - $69.7 million
5. Fleetwood Mac - $67.7 million
6. Ed Sheeran - $63.6 million
7. Kiss - $58.1 million
8. Trans-Siberian Orchestra - $57.3 million
9. Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band - $52.8 million
10. Travis Scott - $51.7 million

Thanks for this list. It demonstrates an anomaly of the current situation, which is that while songwriting royalties have crashed and burned, top tier live performances continue to thrive quite well.

With the exception of Travis Scott and possibly Ed Sheeran (who is borderline), the remaining acts in the above list are legacy acts. That is, acts that got their start in the pre-streaming era, i.e., before the entire songwriting royalty structure became disrupted. Members of Fleetwood Mac, number 5 on the above list, have made some choice comments on this particular subject. Roger Daltrey of the Who has also had some rather harsh things to say about it. There have been many others who have spoken out, including Taylor Swift who removed her entire catalog from streaming services. What happened was that streaming services got the gold mine, and we got the shaft.

Perhaps I might suggest that the ten highest-earning touring bands of 2019 (as of July) are not going to be representative of what's probably going to happen when a recording artist, that is any recording artist releases new recorded music into the present day marketplace. Travis Scott did real good. He proved it can be done highly successfully. Good luck releasing your new recorded music! Just don't quit your day job until the money starts rolling in.

PS: The Interrupters are playing Vegas in a few weeks. Gotta love the Interrupters! They seem to be doing well, god bless em'.

 

[Son of Wobble]

Thanks for this list. It demonstrates an anomaly of the current situation, which is that while songwriting royalties have crashed and burned, top tier live performances continue to thrive quite well.

With the exception of Travis Scott and possibly Ed Sheeran (who is borderline), the remaining acts in the above list are legacy acts. That is, acts that got their start in the pre-streaming era, i.e., before the entire songwriting royalty structure became disrupted. Members of Fleetwood Mac, number 5 on the above list, have made some choice comments on this particular subject. Roger Daltrey of the Who has also had some rather harsh things to say about it. There have been many others who have spoken out, including Taylor Swift who removed her entire catalog from streaming services. What happened was that streaming services got the gold mine, and we got the shaft.

Perhaps I might suggest that the ten highest-earning touring bands of 2019 (as of July) are not going to be representative of what's probably going to happen when a recording artist, that is any recording artist releases new recorded music into the present day marketplace. Travis Scott did real good. He proved it can be done highly successfully. Good luck releasing your new recorded music! Just don't quit your day job until the money starts rolling in.

PS: The Interrupters are playing Vegas in a few weeks. Gotta love the Interrupters! They seem to be doing well, god bless em'.

Good post!

I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Ringo released "Liverpool 8" as a bracelet. Miley released the "She Is Coming" EP as a condom.
My next album is going to be dental floss

 

[DJ Bebop]

Good post!

I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Ringo released "Liverpool 8" as a bracelet. Miley released the "She Is Coming" EP as a condom.
My next album is going to be dental floss

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[Son of Wobble]

Thank you, now I've got an official theme to go with my mission statement!

 

[DJ Bebop]

Thank you, now I've got an official theme to go with my mission statement!

"Me and my pygmy pony, over by the dental floss bush ..."

 

[GregC]

I'm saying that only 1/10th of the reason people listen to K-pop is the actual music... and that 1/10th happens to be generic melodies. It's such a small part of the popularity that it's basically negligible. I guess I can revise my statement to be "the future of music has almost nothing to do with the actual music, and what little music there is, is trite, recycled, generic hooks that are devoid of any quality" does that work for you?

But this fraction is based entirely on a single article on something called lifehack.org, right? And if we're going to get technical, they're not necessarily saying the 10 reasons are equally weighted.

 

[Nevada Pete]

But this fraction is based entirely on a single article on something called lifehack.org, right? And if we're going to get technical, they're not necessarily saying the 10 reasons are equally weighted.

I wanna date a lady K-Pop star.

 

[hardtop]

But this fraction is based entirely on a single article on something called lifehack.org, right? And if we're going to get technical, they're not necessarily saying the 10 reasons are equally weighted.

True. I listened to a couple songs. Musicality is definitely not any part of the appeal of this stuff.

 

[SLIV]

Please don't dis ketchup like that!

At age 63, I guess I'm "old school" in that I much prefer singers who actually have talent.

I personally *despise* the sound of autotune. But that's just me!

I'm even "older school" in that I prefer singers that actually have faults to their voice. I like when it cracks, wobbles, even out of tune. I call it character. It sounds natural. I have no attraction to American Idol style voices. I know I'm in the minority here.