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G&L Club Part 7

It was mentioned a few pages back but never really answered. You can order a SB-2 with a tone knob. The knobs are not stacked though, I believe the controls are a VVT setup instead.
It's hard to talk about SB2 tone without dancing around "subjective" hearing the entire time, but as I understand it, and as G&L explained to me personally, the SB2 tone knob was added due to "customer demand", not because G&L felt it necessary.

In fact, they don't feel it is necessary, which is why it's only an option.

Current owners looking for that setup can either drill their pick guards or stack pots. I've done both mods many times... and I like to push stacked pots, because there are so many really cool stacked pots out there, which really open a lot of doors... mostly off the beaten path.

The only reason that I stress these issues with the SB2, is because I wasted 3 years of my life, trying to make them sound the way that I wanted them to, and I was grabbing at air. I'd hate to see anyone else go through what I did. Meaning...

If they're unhappy with the tone of the SB2, I think it's very unlikely that the "tone knob" would be their savior... However, if you love the SB2 tone, you might like what a tone knob can add to it...

Of course, the tone knob won't add anywhere near what the tonal options of the amp can provide either. Not saying that any of this applies to you.

I just always put it out there, because it breaks my heart when I here anyone with an SB2, wondering why they can't get it to sound like a P... or searching for better tone.

A lot of people have the SB2 and adore it... So do I, and I wanted it to be the last bass that I ever bought. Unfortunately, I wanted to sound like a P, and to me, it did not. Which in my opinion, is why G&L brought back the LB100, and why it's soooo successful and popular.

just my two cents
 
OK, embarrassing moment here... please @Mammoth_Bass don't take ANY offense to this!!! :nailbiting:

As I was catching up on this thread, I read this post ...



... and thought to myself, "The dude from Mammothor is named Lori?"

So, I went and looked again at mammathor.com and said to myself, "I'm pretty sure that those folks are males"...
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Then I double checked Rocket's post... yup... it says Lori...

So, I went back to mammothor.com and poked around some more and found this:
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And said to myself, "Self, we were wrong." :roflmao:

In all fairness, I never really even considered your or anyone else's gender here on TB, I just see us all as bassists :bassist: I was just amused at my response when presented with the actual facts. :laugh:


At least I keep myself entertained :wacky:
I'm so glad to finally join the G&L club! Just picked up this used Amber G&L L2000 tribute made in Korea. First active bass and it is just so much fun.

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Very comical. I do the same thing. I often find myself doing the same thing... I always go back and change "guys" to "people".

Nice work Secret Agent 00 Kriegs
 
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Hahaha!! No worries! I joined about a year ago and we are overdue to get new photos done. Also, I'm so used to walking into venues with all of my gear and people struggling to understand that yes I am IN the band not just with them. Either way I have fun!
Same thing here....

Whenever I arrive at the venue for a show, I walk around and do my thing, patrons don't believe that I'm the bass player and singer in the band. Then when they here me sing and play, they REALLY can't believe it.
 
I've often thought that an SB-2T with either the Fender "no load" tone or a push/pull to take the tone out of the circuit would be ideal. Best of both worlds.
The SB2 is such an awesome platform, but as everyone who's ever heard one already has said, the bridge pup adds very little to the table with the instrument.

Now, I'll say that for me to agree 100% with that, I'd have to hear it next to an SB1, and I have not. But, the bridge pup cannot be soloed on the SB2, leading me to believe that it's a bit weak in the signal path, and why it's not doing more for the tone.

That being said, I keep all of my basses very treble oriented, bright, clanky, brash... a tone knob rarely helps me, since all it ever does is take me further in the wrong direction.

Like you, I believe that the SB2 has some higher purpose in the bass world, and I just haven't found it yet. I know the pots had way more to do with its tone, and I had a lot more experimenting to do with them... and that tube amps helped the tone out a lot... my SS stuff didn't compliment it.

So do I think I couldve worked it out? Yes. But... I wanted to sound like a P, and the LB100 hit's a home run for me, so I gave up trying to reinvent the wheel.

This was at a time when the only G&Ls I owned were all SB2's. So... now that I have the LB100's that I wanted, and a Kilo on the way... I expect that I revisit the SB2, and reinvent it for me, some time in the near future.

When I'm ready, I'll come back here and we'll all design the thing from the ground up!
 
Having had an SB-2 myself, and regrettably selling it, I miss mine. But I had modded mine with a master Vol-Tone setup per the wiring for an SB-1, neck pickup only, then added a switch for on/off of the bridge pickup into the circuit. Played it for years as if it were an SB-1 and loved it for that. Not long before selling, my playing situation shifted and I did start exploring it with both pickups on and the tone rolled back a bit, and I really found some sounds that I liked in there. The two reasons I sold it were that, of all the neck profiles, the #8 is my least favorite and I was playing more guitar at the time, so it went to fund an ASAT.
 
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Having had an SB-2 myself, and regrettably selling it, I miss mine. But I had modded mine with a master Vol-Tone setup per the wiring for an SB-1, neck pickup only, then added a switch for on/off of the bridge pickup into the circuit. Played it for years as if it were an SB-1 and loved it for that. Not long before selling, my playing situation shifted and I did start exploring it with both pickups on and the tone rolled back a bit, and I really found some sounds that I liked in there. The two reasons I sold it were that, of all the neck profiles, the #8 is my least favorite and I was playing more guitar at the time, so it went to fund an ASAT.
Lol... same here with the mods. Exactly my point too. The SB2 "can" sound great, but I'm too old to search for it when with the LB100, it's right in front of me.
 
Well, the other day I pulled the trigger and swapped out the MFD pickup from my '94 SB1 for a Nordy NP4 pickup. I have an NP4 in my LB100 fretless as well, and I really appreciate the more mellow tone. Over the years I've just gotten fatigued by the brashiness of the split P MFD pickup. So far, I have no intention of replacing the pickups in my L1000's. Anyway, I really like my SB1 again, though I can't help but feel like a bad G&L owner for doing it.
 
The bridge pickup on the SB-2 is seasoning, not an ingredient :cool:

But even so, I have an SB-1 as well, and even with flats on both they're very different beasts. Dialing in the bridge between 8:10 to 10:8 to the neck pickup cuts a bit of bass and adds some jazz-style phasing that funks the tone right up. The SB-1 with V and T at 5 is Lando Calrissian Cloud City--creamy and pillowy without mud.

I worried that getting the SB-2 would render my SB-1 redundant. (I knowingly paid too much for the SB-1, but you don't actually lose money until you sell ;)). But no way. Maybe it's the age: three decades vs three months. Or maybe it's the strings: TI vs Fender. But I would have to work pretty hard to make one cop even one of the tones of the other, let alone most or all.

Okay, my $0.02 discounted to $0.01 for excessive length.
 
On my original SB2 (85 +/-), I used the bridge pup mostly like a tone control. With the T added, I don't do that as much, but it does add a coloring to the overall tone. I like @bonin in the boneyard's The bridge pickup on the SB-2 is seasoning, not an ingredient. I think that pretty much describes it.
I have played other G&L models, but the only two I've ever owned are SB-2s. First no T, now T.
 
PS: I had an LB-100 concurrently with my SB-1. A very fine instrument to be sure, but convinced myself it was just an SB-1 with the volume rolled halfway off. I traded in the LB when I ordered the SB-2.

I guess my point is that LB-100 vs SB-1 is a matter of taste. But the SB-2 is something different entirely.
For sure... and at this point I'll add for the record, that it's SO COMPLETELY REFRESHING that all of us involved in this G&L thread for the last two weeks, clearly have a distinct understanding of each others individual tastes, and the respect that goes along with it.

I love the SB2, but it was not for me, you love the LB100, but it wasn't for you. Why is that such a hard concept for the rest of TB?

The fact that your taste in basses is so sub par compared to mine makes me think no less of you.

Lol
 
The fact that your taste in basses is so sub par compared to mine makes me think no less of you.
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I hope you rumble as hard as you type, city boy!