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#21
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in to this one. I live in South Carolina. Until about 2 years ago, tattooing was illegal here. You still can not get a tattoo here unless you are 21(18 with parental consent), and still can't get anything above your shoulders inked. As for beer and liquor sales, Saturday night at 11:59 through Monday morning at 8:01 you can not legally purchase any alcohol unless at a bar. Bars are legally required to stop serving at 2 AM. On a more personal note, I work at an adult video store. Currently, the state senate is trying to pass legislation banning all sales of pornographic movies, adult toys, and banning topless bars & strip clubs. Recently, they did pass a law making it illegal for any dancers at topless/strip clubs to even go topless. All of them have to wear pasties. I swear, I really want out of this place before they make it illegal to do anything other than work and sleep.
 
#22
KsToaDangr said:
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in to this one. I live in South Carolina. Until about 2 years ago, tattooing was illegal here. You still can not get a tattoo here unless you are 21(18 with parental consent), and still can't get anything above your shoulders inked. As for beer and liquor sales, Saturday night at 11:59 through Monday morning at 8:01 you can not legally purchase any alcohol unless at a bar. Bars are legally required to stop serving at 2 AM. On a more personal note, I work at an adult video store. Currently, the state senate is trying to pass legislation banning all sales of pornographic movies, adult toys, and banning topless bars & strip clubs. Recently, they did pass a law making it illegal for any dancers at topless/strip clubs to even go topless. All of them have to wear pasties. I swear, I really want out of this place before they make it illegal to do anything other than work and sleep.
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Oh my gosh! How dare they strive for decency! :rollno:
 
#27
crkempton said:
Oh my gosh! How dare they strive for decency! :rollno:
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One person's decency is one persons infringement on personal freedoms. Not everyone lives by the same values, and it isn't the governments role to protect people's "decency".

I don't frequent strip clubs, but for the most part I think they are harmless as long as they are run properly. The women choose to make their money that way, and some men choose to pay them - it doesn't effect anyone else. If you don't like strip clubs, don't go to them. If you don't like tattoos, don't have one etc. etc.

The sale of sex toys for use in private is nothing to do with the state in any way shape or form as far as I am concerned, and I really don't think watching consenting adults have sex (something they are allowed to do) should be criminalised. Some people seem to view sex as some kind of dirty, horrible, sinful act, when it is anything but. Sex is a natural act, that when between consenting adults harms no one, people need to stop being so up-tight about it and realise enjoying your sexuality doesn't turn you into some kind of amoral monster.

I'm not suggesting anyone has to agree to like any of the things mentioned, but just understand that not agreeing with something doesn't mean you should stop other people doing it (as long as it doesn't affect anyone who did not agree to be involved). I don't agree in hunting for sport, for example, but you wouldn't want me to try and legislate against you doing it and say I'm doing it for your decency's sake - I'm sure you'd find that horribly patronising.
 
#30
The selling of alcohol is pretty limited here. The alcohol stores (yes there's separate stores for everything containing more than 4,7% alcohol) are closed on Sundays like most shops, and have their own opening hours. On Saturdays, they close at 18.00 (6pm), but I don't remember when they close on other days, and actually I don't really mind.

Furthermore, you cannot buy alcohol in other places than bars after 9pm any day. Not before 9 am either.

The age limit is 18 here for everything up to and including 21 vol-% alcohol, 20 for stronger stuff.

The rules are there to prevent people from drinking too much, which is a good thing because Finns are very well known as heavy drinkers (lots of vodka and beer). Most violence and accidents are related to alcohol so there needs to be certain restrictions whether you like it or not....
 
#31
ulrich said:
There are still laws in a lot of US states against sodomy, and fellatio. (yes even behind closed doors, between a married, to each other, man and woman.) It's also forbidden, in some states to sell devices intended for sexual stimulation. Free country my eye.
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Actually ALL of those laws were declared unconstitutional in Larwence v. Texas about ten years ago. So, technically that is not true. And most of them hadn't been enforced in years. Even Larwence was peripherial to the general case. (the police had a warrent for a meth lab and added the other charges)

I agree on the alcohol purchasing laws, those are definitely holdovers from a different era. I'm not as sure that we should rush to eliminate all public obscenity laws. Their is some material and language that is certainly age appropriate. And I don't believe children need to be unnecessarily exposed to some of that stuff. In Public especially before the kids are put to bed, common decency suggest we should keep our behavior and language PG rated.
 
#32
burk48237 said:
I'm not as sure that we should rush to eliminate all public obscenity laws. Their is some material and language that is certainly age appropriate. And I don't believe children need to be unnecessarily exposed to some of that stuff. In Public especially before the kids are put to bed, common decency suggest we should keep our behavior and language PG rated.
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Whilst, I may be pro porn, pro sex toys, pro freedom of speech, and pro anything consenting adults want to get up to in private etc. - I do think it is very important how you behave around children.

I completely agree with the ideas about public behaviour, but I think the state (UK or USA)would be better spending money on public awareness, as opposed to legislating. I think I perhaps like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
 
#35
burk48237 said:
Actually ALL of those laws were declared unconstitutional in Larwence v. Texas about ten years ago. So, technically that is not true. And most of them hadn't been enforced in years. Even Larwence was peripherial to the general case. (the police had a warrent for a meth lab and added the other charges)

I agree on the alcohol purchasing laws, those are definitely holdovers from a different era. I'm not as sure that we should rush to eliminate all public obscenity laws. Their is some material and language that is certainly age appropriate. And I don't believe children need to be unnecessarily exposed to some of that stuff. In Public especially before the kids are put to bed, common decency suggest we should keep our behavior and language PG rated.
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Stop dilluting this thing with facts.

Mike
 
#36
burk48237 said:
Actually ALL of those laws were declared unconstitutional in Larwence v. Texas about ten years ago. So, technically that is not true. And most of them hadn't been enforced in years. Even Larwence was peripherial to the general case. (the police had a warrent for a meth lab and added the other charges)

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We don't don't let that pesky constitution slow down DHS, why let it bother the morality police.

Sadly cops are still going undercover to bust people selling obscene devices.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/17/ltm.03.html
 
#38
There are many cases of "blue laws" still in effect. Most of them date from previous decades when churchly folks thought that not selling booze on Sunday would make peopl's lives more virtuous.

If you travel much - especially in the midwest and south - you will find many bizarre laws. Fort Worth used to be dry unless you were a member of the "club" at the restaurant. So you bought membership for a buck. In other places in Texas, the bar attached to a hotel was dry except for members, but you could either buy membership or you got it automatically when you checked into the hotel.

My boss told me that when he lived in Kansas, bars in some areas couldn't serve booze unless you brought in your own bottle and they stored it behind the bar for you. Strange.

And on, and on, and on. "Mi morality es su morality."

So many people think they've found Truth (note capitol T) and think it's their mission in life to impose their Truth on everyone else. Anytime I meet someone who has found that kind of Truth, I tend to avoid them. That kind of thinking leads to Jonestown and the bad Kool-Aid.
 

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