I ordered my 2nd shuttle 6.0 today... gearing up for the outdoor concert season... 1200 watts and 4 - 12's, should do the job!! LOL...
... and it's all your fault Dennis!!
... and it's all your fault Dennis!!
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Genz-Benz Shuttle Megathread: Part II
- Thread starter Kelly Lee
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I am thinking the same thing.. They are that good.. One is pretty loud though for almost all of my gigs..but 2 would be bliss
I'm right there with you guys. I'd love to be able to run my Neox210 and 212 with 1200 watts of GB tone at a little less weight than the neopack
My Shuttle 6.0 and NEOX-212 were just delivered to my humble abode... ::cough cough:: ... I think I might be coming down with Awesomeitis and should probably go home for the afternoon
My Shuttle 6.0 and NEOX-212 were just delivered to my humble abode... ::cough cough:: ... I think I might be coming down with Awesomeitis and should probably go home for the afternoon
That sounds like a 48 hour kinda cough to me!!
My Shuttle 6.0 and NEOX-212 were just delivered to my humble abode... ::cough cough:: ... I think I might be coming down with Awesomeitis and should probably go home for the afternoon
congrats!
i have a shuttle 6.0 on order and seriously considering the neox212
please report back with your review...
cheers
- Nov 29, 2007
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- Endorsing artist GENZ BENZ/HERCULES STANDS/XSonics
I got the call today from my local music store that my 6.0 is in!! I just got home and hooked it up to my Ampeg 410HLF and OMG!!
I used my EBMM SR5 with flats and it was thumping better than my SVT 5-PRO! I mean I had the gains at 12 and the main on 3 and it was litteraly shaking the walls! No more breaking my back when it's time to break down. I have 2 gigs this weekend and I can't wait to hear the comments from my bandmates.
Anybody want a SVT5-PRO?
I just got home and hooked it up to my Ampeg 410HLF and OMG!! I used my EBMM SR5 with flats and it was thumping better than my SVT 5-PRO! I mean I had the gains at 12 and the main on 3 and it was litteraly shaking the walls! No more breaking my back when it's time to break down. I have 2 gigs this weekend and I can't wait to hear the comments from my bandmates.
Anybody want a SVT5-PRO?
Absolutely sick. My initial impression is that the 6.0 - 212T pairing is sublime. I think 3.75 lbs is overestimateing the weight of this thing and the NEO 212 cabinet is gorgeous, light, and has definitely put any concerns I had about using 12's to rest. The lows were full (not as defined as usual, but see the strings comment below) and the highs were very clear and shiny without being "plinky". I couldn't really open it up tonight at my apartment, but I can say that with the Low and High knobs at around 1:00, both Mid knobs straight up, both Pre knobs at 10:30-ish and the master a bit under 9:00, my Corvette 5 passive was making the dishes in my kitchen cabinets rattle. A lot. It may sound a bit cheesy, but I was honestly concerned that I was going to break something.
That's the inital impression. I fiddled aroung a bit with the EQ, but nothing truly definitive to report yet as my strings are way dead and I was content to just noodle around and enjoy the sounds; it even made my old Peavey B-Ninety sound good again! I will be heading to practice Friday night with some fresh strings and the opportunity to really turn it loose in a hard rock environment (drop tuning and other loud instruments), but I have confidence that it will rock just as hard as it's big brother does.
That's the inital impression. I fiddled aroung a bit with the EQ, but nothing truly definitive to report yet as my strings are way dead and I was content to just noodle around and enjoy the sounds; it even made my old Peavey B-Ninety sound good again! I will be heading to practice Friday night with some fresh strings and the opportunity to really turn it loose in a hard rock environment (drop tuning and other loud instruments), but I have confidence that it will rock just as hard as it's big brother does.
Another test of the Shuttle 3.0-10T yesterday. Played on a big stage in a big arena (with PA supprt of course and monitors) and brought the little Shuttle in as a preamp/DI if nothing else.
While I did have bass in my monitor, I thought I'd turn up the Suttle as well, just to see. Now, this was an all DI gig except drums. Keys, guitars, bass, all DI no stage amps. I'll tell you what though, I could have heard myself just fine if I had no monitor. That little combo kicked. I had it at about 10 o'clock and I heard i tjust fine.
No, if there wasn't bass in the other guys monitors I don't know if they could have heard it, but I bet if we would have been set up really snug instead of all spread out, with only drums on stage, it would have had a chance.
This little combo continues to impress me in every situation and sounds fantastic.My band mates and I comment on it after every gig. Amazing. I don't know why you would want anything else.
While I did have bass in my monitor, I thought I'd turn up the Suttle as well, just to see. Now, this was an all DI gig except drums. Keys, guitars, bass, all DI no stage amps. I'll tell you what though, I could have heard myself just fine if I had no monitor. That little combo kicked. I had it at about 10 o'clock and I heard i tjust fine.
No, if there wasn't bass in the other guys monitors I don't know if they could have heard it, but I bet if we would have been set up really snug instead of all spread out, with only drums on stage, it would have had a chance.
This little combo continues to impress me in every situation and sounds fantastic.My band mates and I comment on it after every gig. Amazing. I don't know why you would want anything else.
Played my first gig with my brank spankin new Shuttle 6.0 last night. All I can say is WOW!! My bandmates lept saying. "Aw it's so cute," until they heard it! I played mainly with my EBMM SR5 with flats and it was thumpin all night long.
Yeah I know I just quoted myself, but seriously, does anybody want an SVT5-PRO?
Oh I almost forgot, it fit in the front pocket of my bass gig bag! unbelievable...
My bandmates lept saying. "Aw it's so cute," until they heard it! I played mainly with my EBMM SR5 with flats and it was thumpin all night long.No more breaking my back when it's time to break down. I have 2 gigs this weekend and I can't wait to hear the comments from my bandmates.
Anybody want a SVT5-PRO?
Yeah I know I just quoted myself, but seriously, does anybody want an SVT5-PRO?
Oh I almost forgot, it fit in the front pocket of my bass gig bag! unbelievable...
Alrighty - got a chance to fully open it up last night at practice and A/B it with my current setup (see signature below for what that is), and after tinkering around my final impression is that I replicated, if not improved, my tone with just the 6.0 and 212.
Honestly, I was surprised. As I've improved and learned more about what is actually going on with my instrument and gear, I've learned how to EQ and that, in the way of electronic processing, less seems to be more. I used to have the treble and bass on my 'Vette preamp cranked, which fed into the bass-treble-sonic maximizer-cranked BBE BMax, which fed into the GBE-1200 running both channels with the bass and treble cranked. Naturally, I got a sound that just didn't really cut and was a bit smooshy and overprocessed.
Today, I've actually learned how to use my stuff and have developed a tone that is good and natural using the aforementioned setup with minimal processing (I play passive into the pre, which basically just flavors before it sends the signal along to the GBE 1200). I would say that my tone is more modern sounding, falling somewhere along the lines of Ryan Martinie (Mudvayne), Justin Chancellor (Tool), Les Claypool (Duh) and Ryan Juhrs (Flaw) and that my band is a modern metal/hard rock/semi-progressive project. After last night, I dialed in my exact sound using the Shuttle 6.0 without the BBE, which I didn't think would be possible. Honestly, I giggled like a little girl when I found the sweet spot. Here's how it ended up:
Corvette electronics: Active, with a small boost to bass and treble and small favoring of the neck pickup.
6.0 Preamp: Gain at 1 o'clock (love that growl!), volume a bit under 11.
Low: Two clicks boosted above flat
Mids: Mids almost completely cut (the 'Vette is very mid rich), frequency at 11 o'clock
High: 3 o'clock
I can also engage the mid scoop for a slappier, attack-rich tone (which I personally like), but it's not necessary.
Playing with the band, the 212 did admirably and provided more than enough oomph to be heard and felt. Everything cut through and mixed beautifully, never to be drowned out or lost without being out of place (horn was around "2" on the settings knob). My guitarist just got a new axe and had his tube amp modified, which made his tone as clean and beefy as I've ever heard. We practice loud, and my final Master setting was at 1:30 or so. The previous reviewers of this combination (Dennis and at least one other person... sorry about forgetting who else has mentioned this) hit the nail on the head by saying that the 212 really opens up when pushed but is not as full at lower volumes - that is exactly what I found. We drop tune (A-D-G-C-F) and until I hit about 11 o'clock on the master the low A was a little empty (not fluttery, just not thick). Once we got to practice volume, it was sublime.
I A/B'd the 6.0/212 with my 1200/410-XB2 directly, and my mates preferred the sound of the 6.0/212. It is a bit warmer (probably due to the lack of BBE in front), but sounds fuller than the 410 does. The 410 is an 8-ohm cab, so the 1200 isn't pushing 1000 into it, but the volumes achieved and the overall performance of the 2 cabinets were very similar. So similar, in fact, that I'm now wrestling with which rig is my primary. There's not a chance I would get rid of the 1200 or my other stuff, but the whole setup weighs 150+ pounds and to shave 90 pounds off of that would be incredible.
Sorry to drag this out. I felt that my background and tone-quality were germaine to the discussion and would shed light on how the 6.0/212 did in a heavy rock setting. The bottom line is that I was a bit concerned intially about finding my tone (it was good initially, but didn't match exacly what I was looking for), but all doubts have been removed. I don't regret this purchase one bit, even if I was just looking for a practice rig
One last thing - I never got around to changing my strings, so all of this was done using dead Warwick strings. I can't imagine what's going to happen when I get some fresh Lo-Riders on there...
Honestly, I was surprised. As I've improved and learned more about what is actually going on with my instrument and gear, I've learned how to EQ and that, in the way of electronic processing, less seems to be more. I used to have the treble and bass on my 'Vette preamp cranked, which fed into the bass-treble-sonic maximizer-cranked BBE BMax, which fed into the GBE-1200 running both channels with the bass and treble cranked. Naturally, I got a sound that just didn't really cut and was a bit smooshy and overprocessed.
Today, I've actually learned how to use my stuff and have developed a tone that is good and natural using the aforementioned setup with minimal processing (I play passive into the pre, which basically just flavors before it sends the signal along to the GBE 1200). I would say that my tone is more modern sounding, falling somewhere along the lines of Ryan Martinie (Mudvayne), Justin Chancellor (Tool), Les Claypool (Duh) and Ryan Juhrs (Flaw) and that my band is a modern metal/hard rock/semi-progressive project. After last night, I dialed in my exact sound using the Shuttle 6.0 without the BBE, which I didn't think would be possible. Honestly, I giggled like a little girl when I found the sweet spot. Here's how it ended up:
Corvette electronics: Active, with a small boost to bass and treble and small favoring of the neck pickup.
6.0 Preamp: Gain at 1 o'clock (love that growl!), volume a bit under 11.
Low: Two clicks boosted above flat
Mids: Mids almost completely cut (the 'Vette is very mid rich), frequency at 11 o'clock
High: 3 o'clock
I can also engage the mid scoop for a slappier, attack-rich tone (which I personally like), but it's not necessary.
Playing with the band, the 212 did admirably and provided more than enough oomph to be heard and felt. Everything cut through and mixed beautifully, never to be drowned out or lost without being out of place (horn was around "2" on the settings knob). My guitarist just got a new axe and had his tube amp modified, which made his tone as clean and beefy as I've ever heard. We practice loud, and my final Master setting was at 1:30 or so. The previous reviewers of this combination (Dennis and at least one other person... sorry about forgetting who else has mentioned this) hit the nail on the head by saying that the 212 really opens up when pushed but is not as full at lower volumes - that is exactly what I found. We drop tune (A-D-G-C-F) and until I hit about 11 o'clock on the master the low A was a little empty (not fluttery, just not thick). Once we got to practice volume, it was sublime.
I A/B'd the 6.0/212 with my 1200/410-XB2 directly, and my mates preferred the sound of the 6.0/212. It is a bit warmer (probably due to the lack of BBE in front), but sounds fuller than the 410 does. The 410 is an 8-ohm cab, so the 1200 isn't pushing 1000 into it, but the volumes achieved and the overall performance of the 2 cabinets were very similar. So similar, in fact, that I'm now wrestling with which rig is my primary. There's not a chance I would get rid of the 1200 or my other stuff, but the whole setup weighs 150+ pounds and to shave 90 pounds off of that would be incredible.
Sorry to drag this out. I felt that my background and tone-quality were germaine to the discussion and would shed light on how the 6.0/212 did in a heavy rock setting. The bottom line is that I was a bit concerned intially about finding my tone (it was good initially, but didn't match exacly what I was looking for), but all doubts have been removed. I don't regret this purchase one bit, even if I was just looking for a practice rig
One last thing - I never got around to changing my strings, so all of this was done using dead Warwick strings. I can't imagine what's going to happen when I get some fresh Lo-Riders on there...
Played my first gig with my 3.0-10 combo last night. We played an outdoor neighborhood party; I paired it with an Avatar 1x12 and had a little PA support. The sound was awesome and the volume level was more than adequate (with a LOUD drummer and two guitarists). I played my G&L L2000 (for the first time in a while) for the first set and was very happy with the sound. I switched to my Wal Mach II for the second set. I was amazed how just a couple of clicks of the upper mid knob changed the tone from "aggressive" to "mellow". The tone controls are really well designed.
I'm most impressed by the amazing clarity of the treble on this amp without the slightest hint of harshness. I've never been able to get that tone in an amp before.
Another major thumbs up for the Shuttle!
I'm most impressed by the amazing clarity of the treble on this amp without the slightest hint of harshness. I've never been able to get that tone in an amp before.
Another major thumbs up for the Shuttle!
First impression, and sorry for sounding redundant - it's tiny, smaller and lighter than I expected (I am a metric person, 3.75 pounds means nothing to me). Sound? A quick play through my Fender Spectrum cab...smooth, clear, and powerful. These really are the future. Can't wait to push it...
I also agree with a sentiment mentioned earlier in this thread - people buying these as 'back ups'? It's a proper amp, worthy of first choice in any decent arsenal. For the price and features, this thing is utterly unbeatable.
I also agree with a sentiment mentioned earlier in this thread - people buying these as 'back ups'? It's a proper amp, worthy of first choice in any decent arsenal. For the price and features, this thing is utterly unbeatable.
Absolutely - the Shuttles are no "backup" or mere "practice" amps. Definitely don't let the size and weight fool you. We're talkin' full-on main rigs, if you want, but without the broken, aching back!
The tone and the power rival many other "beasts" and "behemoths" that will going the way of the dinosaur!
+1... similar to your Shuttle impressions, my heavier, more expensive amps are now my backup amps for my Markbass micro heads (similar size, weight and power as th 6.0). Simply amazing stuff, and no compromise at all on bottom end, volume and tonal quality. These new generation micro amps put out the same 'quality of watt' as ANY other head, regardless of weight, size or design to my ear.
