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Genz Benz ShuttleMAX 9.0 Now A Reality

#103
12bass said:
I'm thinking that an 18.0 would be pushing the current capacity of most outlets.
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Maybe in Canada...:hiding:

Personally I don't think I'd push it harder than my 9.0 I'd just push it as loud with more headroom and many more options... Not that the 9.0 dosen't have plenty of headroom, I just always kill it with th LF filter, envelopes and occasionally silly loud playing to make my body tingle after a rough day; thanks GB!:bassist:
 
#105
Maybe in a year or two, but my ShuttleMax 12.0 delivers everything I've needed and more. Twice the power I was running 30 years ago from my old Peavy rig that done a great job and still will............ I just don't see the need for more power. Even when not having PA support, the 12.0 has been more than able to get the job done. If I didn't already own the 12.0 then I might consider the 9.0 Max. I know this, if it's Genz Benz, it's the best you can buy in my opinion.
 
#107
coastie72 said:
Maybe in a year or two, but my ShuttleMax 12.0 delivers everything I've needed and more. Twice the power I was running 30 years ago from my old Peavy rig that done a great job and still will............ I just don't see the need for more power. Even when not having PA support, the 12.0 has been more than able to get the job done. If I didn't already own the 12.0 then I might consider the 9.0 Max. I know this, if it's Genz Benz, it's the best you can buy in my opinion.
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The other key advantages of the 12 IMO are the flexibility to run with any combination of cabs and, more importantly, the fact that it is essentially a main rig and backup in 1 box.
 
#108
MikeBass said:
I dunno about that!
There is something about that 1200 that I don't know if the Shuttles will do.
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I've previously owned a GBE600 & GBE1200. I now run a GBE750 or ShuttleMAX 6.0 and am very happy with both. Even though I usually prefer a more "old school", vintage type of tone, the articulate and slightly dry characteristics of the GB amps do what they have to and get you heard in a gig setting. They just flat work. That being said....

To me, there is something that the GBE1200 does that the Shuttles don't. All the qualifiers apply here IMHO, YMMV etc. etc. BUT to my ears, and using the same Neox 212 & 112t cabs, the GBE1200 just seems to have more punch down low at roughly equivalent gigging volumes.

I've posted this observation a few times and have yet to hear anyone refute what I've said but I think those big ol' linear A/B power supplies in the GBE series just have more ooomph and punch than the Class D amps do. Maybe it's that old "headroom" thing.

Granted, I have not tried to A/B them empirically with an SPL meter at equivalent settings etc. etc. It's not a scientific observation, but I think it's still there.

I wouldn't trade my ShuttleMAX 6.0 for anything else right now and I have no criticisms against it. It does the trick for me and has plenty of volume for our gigs. I don't have a need for more decibels. Plus, I still have my GBE750 if I need to run less than 4 ohms. I've run strictly GB amps and cabs for about 3 years now and am happy with the results.

However, even through my 112t at lower volumes in church, the GBE1200 just seemed to control that woofer and start and stop it in a more controlled, linear fashion than the "little amps" can. Maybe it's damping factor, maybe it's my imagination, but the GBE 1200 just pounds with more gravitas, and that's what I hear.

Having that kind of power and control at your disposal with the GBE1200 is just plain addictive. In the end though they're all just different flavours of good in my opinion. Maybe one a dem Streamliners is my ticket....
 
#109
Joeykun said:
Try setting the low mids around 200-220 hz and give it a bump. That usually works for me with the Uber cabs!!
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OK, so I had posted at the beginning of the thread that I was having trouble getting the S9 type of heft from the SM12 front end (which could be applicable to the SM9 upcoming. I had tried Joey's suggestion, but still had some honk going on. It turned out the trick was a rather severe cut in the upper mids. You can check out attached photos for the settings I am using on the S9 (almost flat) and the settings on the SM12 (tube channel, not using the FET) that give a really similar tonal profile. Hope this helps. GL2A.
 

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#110
bucephylus said:
OK, so I had posted at the beginning of the thread that I was having trouble getting the S9 type of heft from the SM12 front end (which could be applicable to the SM9 upcoming. I had tried Joey's suggestion, but still had some honk going on. It turned out the trick was a rather severe cut in the upper mids. You can check out attached photos for the settings I am using on the S9 (almost flat) and the settings on the SM12 (tube channel, not using the FET) that give a really similar tonal profile. Hope this helps. GL2A.
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I'm curious and would like to see a Bass Gear style review of shuttle frequency curves.
 
#113
Hawkeye said:
I've previously owned a GBE600 & GBE1200. I now run a GBE750 or ShuttleMAX 6.0 and am very happy with both. Even though I usually prefer a more "old school", vintage type of tone, the articulate and slightly dry characteristics of the GB amps do what they have to and get you heard in a gig setting. They just flat work. That being said....

To me, there is something that the GBE1200 does that the Shuttles don't. All the qualifiers apply here IMHO, YMMV etc. etc. BUT to my ears, and using the same Neox 212 & 112t cabs, the GBE1200 just seems to have more punch down low at roughly equivalent gigging volumes.

I've posted this observation a few times and have yet to hear anyone refute what I've said but I think those big ol' linear A/B power supplies in the GBE series just have more ooomph and punch than the Class D amps do. Maybe it's that old "headroom" thing.

Granted, I have not tried to A/B them empirically with an SPL meter at equivalent settings etc. etc. It's not a scientific observation, but I think it's still there.

I wouldn't trade my ShuttleMAX 6.0 for anything else right now and I have no criticisms against it. It does the trick for me and has plenty of volume for our gigs. I don't have a need for more decibels. Plus, I still have my GBE750 if I need to run less than 4 ohms. I've run strictly GB amps and cabs for about 3 years now and am happy with the results.

However, even through my 112t at lower volumes in church, the GBE1200 just seemed to control that woofer and start and stop it in a more controlled, linear fashion than the "little amps" can. Maybe it's damping factor, maybe it's my imagination, but the GBE 1200 just pounds with more gravitas, and that's what I hear.

Having that kind of power and control at your disposal with the GBE1200 is just plain addictive. In the end though they're all just different flavours of good in my opinion. Maybe one a dem Streamliners is my ticket....
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The LF roll-off in the Shuttle 6.0 has been acknowleged by GB insiders; it was intended to prevent damage to the small cabs with which the 3.0 and 6.0 were coupled.
 
#114
Red Planet said:
coastie72 said:
Maybe in a year or two, but my ShuttleMax 12.0 delivers everything I've needed and more. Twice the power I was running 30 years ago from my old Peavy rig that done a great job and still will............ I just don't see the need for more power. Even when not having PA support, the 12.0 has been more than able to get the job done. If I didn't already own the 12.0 then I might consider the 9.0 Max. I know this, if it's Genz Benz, it's the best you can buy in my opinion.
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You sure got that right. There is no better Bass gear IMO.
I agree the 12.0 as well as the 9.0 are all the power one needs.
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I'm thoroughly sold on GB. I just have a 6.0 and it's an amazing head.. I don't think I'd ever need a max... but that Streamliner looks real nice...

I am curious if the Streamliner series would ever come out in a max format as well.. with the tubes.. and the extra EQ flexibility...
 
#115
bucephylus said:
OK, so I had posted at the beginning of the thread that I was having trouble getting the S9 type of heft from the SM12 front end (which could be applicable to the SM9 upcoming. I had tried Joey's suggestion, but still had some honk going on. It turned out the trick was a rather severe cut in the upper mids. You can check out attached photos for the settings I am using on the S9 (almost flat) and the settings on the SM12 (tube channel, not using the FET) that give a really similar tonal profile. Hope this helps. GL2A.
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To me it would seem that all this is dependant on other factors, such as the bass? I've never heard two basses that sound exactly the same. So I feel the instrument plays a huge role in the sound you get. Most of my controls on my ShuttleMax 12 are never touched. I have them set not far from flat and control my tones from my bass. It just works for me ;)
 
#116
coastie72 said:
To me it would seem that all this is dependant on other factors, such as the bass? I've never heard two basses that sound exactly the same. So I feel the instrument plays a huge role in the sound you get. Most of my controls on my ShuttleMax 12 are never touched. I have them set not far from flat and control my tones from my bass. It just works for me ;)
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Sure, the sound of the instrument is the net of the whole signal chain.

I was using an active Jazz Bass, and my objective was to mirror the sound the S9 was producing by adjusting the slightly more extensive parametric controls on the SM12. No particular relevance to how anyone else is necessarily using their SM12.
 
#117
5StringPocket said:
+1 I had a Shuttle 6.0 for about a year, then sold it and a Markbass F1 to get the Shuttle Max 12.0. The Max 12.0 was more full with a better low end than the 6.0 and also had this amazing 3D clarity which could be enhanced or tamed with how the eq is set.

My observation for clarification by the Genz team was this. There is a substantial increase in low end authority and warmth from the Shuttle 6.0 to the 9.0 and it seems the only differences between them are lowering the high pass cutoff by 10 Hz and upgrading the amplifier with the PHAT module having 50% more power and a beefed up cooling section. I think the Max preamps have that same high pass cutoff as the 9.0 which explains their improved low end.

In the same manner, moving from the Max 6.0 to the Max 9.0 would mean upgrading the amplifier with that same 900 watt PHAT module. This should give the Max 9.0 that same low end authority, warmth, and mojo that the 9.0 has with all the eq flexibility the Max offers (plus FET). There are some who are concerned they might be giving up that special vibe the 9.0 has if going to the Max 9.0 but the sense I get from hasbeen's response is that this is not the case. The Max 9.0 seems to incorporate the most desirable features from the Shuttle line into one no-compromise package. The user reviews and gig reports after the winter NAMM show as these new amps trickle out should be interesting.
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#118
So, after getting to gig with a Max 12 last night, I'm now VERY interested in this new Max 9. I'm possibly looking to go to a much lighter-weight setup, which would involve trading my two Eden cabs for an Uber 410 (still haven't tried the new Quad cabinet, but have tried the 410 a few times, and loved it). Then I'd replace my entire rack setup (which weighs in around 50 lbs) for a Max 9 w/bag.

After getting to use the capabilities of a Max head in a live setting last night, and becoming re-acquainted with just how useful the two preamps, global shaping functions, etc, are, I'm pretty much sold on them. I now remember why I loved my GBE750 so much.........

So is this head scheduled for a NAMM release as well? (my apologies if this was mentioned in this thread already, I must have glossed over it)
 
#120
Sav'nBass said:
I'm thoroughly sold on GB. I just have a 6.0 and it's an amazing head.. I don't think I'd ever need a max... but that Streamliner looks real nice...

I am curious if the Streamliner series would ever come out in a max format as well.. with the tubes.. and the extra EQ flexibility...
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I'm thinking not because of what this head is going after but you know Genz Benz, there is no telling what is next. :eek::D:hyper::bassist:

I opted for the Streamliner 900. I placed my "pre order" Saturday.

At some point I'd also like a Max 9.0 for what it offers in extra flexibility
(when needed) though my gear buying is over for a good while as I have gone a little overboard lately. I'm trying to figure out what I need to sell. :hmm:
 

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