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Genz Benz Streamliner Part 3!!!!

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#881
Tunaman said:
Nav is great... its just in a huge rack & its my ONLY amp. I need a backup.
My point is, if the Streamliner is an upgrade to the Nav, LM III, GK MB500, TC 450 I see all hitting the used market, I want to know the crowd will hear the difference. If there ISN'T a difference going to the audience I'd rather pick up these used amps on the cheap. Yeah my personal monitor tone may not be as great but the music is exactly the same. Kjung said most of his amps direct out sound similiar, which is why I brought this up, I just want to confirm thats NOT the case.

Thanks for the help Chef, appreciate it
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If you've been using a 2400 watt poweramp actually really, then an LMIII, MB500, or TC 450 aint gonna cut it for you there partner.

But a Shuttle 9.0 or Streramliner 900 will.

Geedyup. :D
 
#882
nostatic said:
Why is it that some people get all cranky and defensive about other people spending money. I suppose there is some internet moral high ground in trying to prove that others are idiots for "wasting" their own hard-earned money.

The Streamliner does not cure cancer (as far as I can tell), it will not provide stability in the Middle East, and it isn't as good in the morning as a cup of Sumatra Blue Batak from Peet's. :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p It is however a new and interesting take on bass amplification, and is making some people very happy, be it GAS or otherwise. Buy it for what it is. Or don't. Whatever floats your boat.
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too funny!
 
#884
I will have a Shuttle 9.0 by end of the week and can do an A/B in a gig situation (like I did with the S900 and Fusion). The S900 will get a clean tone, but I don't have a Shuttle to compare it to. The inherent character is still warm/fat though - it really depends on what people define as "clean." If it is lack of distortion, then yes. If it is a clinical über-flat tone profile, then I think no - but it depends on what the player wants and is used to. It also depends on what cabinet you play through, cab placement, etc. Getting a bass sound requires a "system" - fingers, bass, amp, cabinet, technique, placement. All go into the final outcome. Too often people will change one element expecting something and getting another because they fail to account or the fact that they all play together as part of the whole. It is akin to guys who will prep a car for the track and only do shocks but ignore other parts of the suspension and handling setup.
 
#885
I know this has already been said but it apears there is some hearing impairdness here.

Best I can tell looking at the block diagram, the DI signal is coming from one half of tube V1, before any of the level controls when operating it in Pre mode. The Post signal is taken just before the master volume.

I think there would be a little tube color to the DI but only a subtle difference. This Pre signal would not have all six tube stages in it, only 1. The Post signal would have all six.

This I would consider to be a normal DI that conforms to industry standards.

I'm sure the Genz Benz guys will correct me if I'm wrong but it would be impossible to have all the tubes in the DI without having EQ in the DI as some of the tubes are being used for EQ.

I suppose they could have given us an option to come after the Gain knob but that certainly would not be a uniform type of DI and almost certainly someone would be bitching about that.

You can't please everyone. If you don't like the Streamliner or something about it then don't get one. Owning a Streamliner is a privilege not a right. :D
 
#886
bkbass2000 said:
This may have been posted already but I admittedly haven't scoured the threads......Does the SL do clean, as defined and loud, as good as the shuttle 9.0?
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Look up the Ed Freidland Streamliner review on YouTube, he does a direct comparison with the 9.2.
 
#887
bkbass2000 said:
This may have been posted already but I admittedly haven't scoured the threads......Does the SL do clean, as defined and loud, as good as the shuttle 9.0?
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Thge Streamliner does clean very well but not quite the clarity clean the 9.0 does.

If that makes any since.


9.2 is a little different than 9.0


I like having both. :bassist:
 
#888
nostatic said:
I will have a Shuttle 9.0 by end of the week and can do an A/B in a gig situation (like I did with the S900 and Fusion). The S900 will get a clean tone, but I don't have a Shuttle to compare it to. The inherent character is still warm/fat though - it really depends on what people define as "clean." If it is lack of distortion, then yes. If it is a clinical über-flat tone profile, then I think no - but it depends on what the player wants and is used to. It also depends on what cabinet you play through, cab placement, etc. Getting a bass sound requires a "system" - fingers, bass, amp, cabinet, technique, placement. All go into the final outcome. Too often people will change one element expecting something and getting another because they fail to account or the fact that they all play together as part of the whole. It is akin to guys who will prep a car for the track and only do shocks but ignore other parts of the suspension and handling setup.
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I agree.

And thanx for the clips. Nice!
 
#889
Red Planet said:
the DI signal is coming from one half of tube V1, before any of the level controls when operating it in Pre mode.
I think there would be a little tube color to the DI but only a subtle difference. This Pre signal would not have all six tube stages in it, only 1. The Post signal would have all six.
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Very informative. This is probably all GENZ will say, they aren't going to comment on its DI tone vs another amp manufacturer.

Without A\B clips, and going on that diagram, we'll have to assume that the crowd MAY be able to pick out a Streamliner from a Peavey, Behringer, LM, GK etc all else equal but it would be subtle.

I've over worn my welcome so thanks for the help guys sorry for the trouble.
 
#890
THe SL600 sounded great at church today. I played through my Tecamp 212 cab, EQ settings were flat/12 o'clock position, mid switch at 600, passive 4 string Fender Jazz. Fat and Warm, just what I like! I play what's needed, cause our piano player forgets he has a bass player. So I just underline him. LOL Small church, so we don't run through house, straight cab. But, amp sounds great. Finally have the tube sound!
 
#892
moving along from pre eq to post eq...

I was thinking about how the yin/yang pairing for amps/cabs might work with the SL900 and a pair of nEarful 15/6/1 cabs I built. Run flat for bass guitar, the Eminence 3015LF woofer is powerful and deep but a little more smooth than punchy. The 18Sound 6ND410 mid is attenuated to match the woofer but still quite present and up front between 1-3 kHz. These cabs have very good detail and fidelity but for bass I find myself wanting to smooth them out a touch and bump up the low mids.

In another thread, KsPiNeSh found a sweet spot for the SL900 and his GB Uber 410 with the bass cut to about 10:30, mids and treble bumped to about 1:30 with the mid selector at 600 Hz. I find my Shuttle Max 12.0 sounds best with the Uber 410 just about flat. I think this is a decent reference point for the two amps as I believe our tone preferences are similar.

I love the SM 12.0 with the Uber 410/212 cabs (fabulous rig) but think something smoother with a little more heft down low would sound better with my nEarful 15/6/1. From what I've read and heard so far, the SL900 might be real sweet here with the bass and treble set flat and the lo mids at 220 Hz bumped to about 1:30. Any thoughts on this? I'd just like to make sure I'm thinking straight before investing in a 2nd bass amp.

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#893
5StringPocket said:
I love the SM 12.0 with the Uber 410/212 cabs (fabulous rig) but think something smoother with a little more heft down low would sound better with my nEarful 15/6/1. From what I've read and heard so far, the SL900 might be real sweet here with the bass and treble set flat and the lo mids at 220 Hz bumped to about 1:30. Any thoughts on this? I'd just like to make sure I'm thinking straight before investing in a 2nd bass amp.

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IMO that would be one FAT sound indeed... bumping the 220 really rounds out the low end through my cabs, so in a nEarful situation I'd bet that your low end would indeed be hefty and large.
 
#894
about the tube/tubes and the D.I.

You WILL get a tube in the DI....if you run pre-eq. The D.I. is tube buffered, so you get the warmth and natural compression of a tube.

If you run pos-eq, you'll get all three.
 
#896
hasbeen said:
about the tube/tubes and the D.I.

You WILL get a tube in the DI....if you run pre-eq. The D.I. is tube buffered, so you get the warmth and natural compression of a tube.

If you run pos-eq, you'll get all three.
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Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate it. I still believe it would be a great A\B review just to see how much that brings to table vs a SS going to the mixer\P.A Pre-EQ.
We know the Streamliner blows away the competition through our cabs, KJung's videos & our ears have proven that but we can't say definitively the crowd will hear it too although its looking up now!
 
#897
Having read a brief 'Liner thread on another set of forums that mentioned something like "a PR disaster for GB on Talkbass" (the stars aligning just so in the world of Kjung) I'm pleased to not have found the giant sh*t-storm I was fearing.

I'm running a Markbass SA450 and a Barefaced Compact (+UL112 if needed) which I like but there is a certain "something" missing. I have come close to tonal nirvana with the "R&B" model on my Lowdown 110 (a b15 fliptop model) plus there's a pretty good chance that I'm about to join a blues trio...the 'Liner seems like it might have been made with me in mind!!!

Only questions are ....

1) If the thing blows up what's the customer service like in the UK? (I'm guessing good given the response to the issue in the US but Arizona is quite a long way left and down a bit from Scotland.) Anyone in the UK had to deal with this? Any input from the GB people on here?

2) Do I go for the big boy 900 watt version? (I'm lucky in that the cost difference is minimal.) I've never really needed to crank the SA450 but I'm erring on the side of better to have the headroom and not need it. I'll be back playing a 5 again once Martin Peterson finishes building it so maybe a bit of extra headroom is a good idea.

Also frankly 500 watts in 8 ohms is intriguing. Barefaced reckon you should feed the Compact anywhere up to 600watts so this seems like a match ... but am I going to be missing out on some tonal goodness by never really running the power amp hard if I go for the big boy version?

Any thoughts anyone?
 
#900
Tunaman said:
Thanks for chiming in, I appreciate it. I still believe it would be a great A\B review just to see how much that brings to table vs a SS going to the mixer\P.A Pre-EQ.
We know the Streamliner blows away the competition through our cabs, KJung's videos & our ears have proven that but we can't say definitively the crowd will hear it too although its looking up now!
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will the crowd "hear" it?......heck, they don't know the difference between a bass and a banjo. :hiding:
 
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