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Genz Benz Streamliner Part 3!!!!
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I was looking at the REDDI Tube DI Megathread & saw that guys with the 3K all tube Aguilar DB750 STILL used a REDDI for more tube warmth to their direct signal.
I'm not the only one who thinks about direct signal I guess & its a common issue that has to be addressed by other gear no matter what amp you buy.
You're buying an amp to match with your cab I guess... as long as bass players don't consider the direct tone in their purchases no manufacturer will address it. If its not important to us, its not important to them.
Thats what gives REDDI their opportunity.
I'm not the only one who thinks about direct signal I guess & its a common issue that has to be addressed by other gear no matter what amp you buy.
You're buying an amp to match with your cab I guess... as long as bass players don't consider the direct tone in their purchases no manufacturer will address it. If its not important to us, its not important to them.
Thats what gives REDDI their opportunity.
Which is why the REDDI and others like it have been mentioned to you several times now
JK If I had the money I would get me one..
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Thats the "golden question" I want to know as well!
No the crowd won't know the difference, but if you're lucky the sound guy may and actually do you justice.
Here's the "real life" in print that we ALL know. We're at the mercy of the sound guy. He's perfectly capable of making the best rig/bass sound like total dog poo.
At the very least the best we can hope for in a lot of cases is just being heard.
"Your sound" is the sound you hear out of your cab (right?).
Buy a AKG D112, EV RE-20, or the like and mic your own cab and tell him to plug in to it. Unless the sound guy is violently opposed to having a mic'd bass cab.
Thats the rub with everything eh? I was hoping the Streamliner tube would cover what a REDDI does.
A/B Streamliner DI vs a REDDI?
Just kidding! We're done here. I put out some calls to GENZ dealers in the Boston area so hopefully I can test drive one soon.
I am more worried about the things a REDDI can't do that a streamliner can. Great amp I tell ya, I love mine to bits. The most happy I have been with an amp in some time.
If you want a micro that sounds like a tube amp this is ahead of the pack clearly & if its a few hundred more than the others so be it for the quality, Kjungs clips convinced me. The GK MB500, Shuttle, LM III are all too hi fi for my tests. I think the LM tube is too subtle a difference & the Streamliner would crush it in an A/B test. Price wise LM tube is too close to the Streamliner.
If you're going to have a piece of gear for 10 years + you're going to forget the extra cash. My Eden Nav & Sterling have been awesome, mediocre gear costs less & you lose money when you sell it off after you're tired of it.
As much as I love my Streamliner my LMIII is not going anywhere. I really like that amp too, and I am not a hi fi lover at all. I can get the amp set to sound nice and warm with good punch.
So, I'm picking up some insights from my reading here, but still wondering...
For those who have had the chance to A/B the Shuttle 9.0 and Streamliner 900, what do I give up in tone with my Shuttle 9.0 vs. a Streamliner 900? "Not much" is the answer I'm coming to - in fact, maybe the Streamliner will deliver more warmth and depth vs. the 9.0. Is the 9.0 more "flat" and the 900 more "fat"?. The Ed Friedland video with a/b was helpful sonically...others' experiences? Note: I play a clean sound (no distort/breakup). I can't justify having both amps and I got my Shuttle just before the Streamliner came about...
I'm really happy with my Shuttle 9.0, but the Streamliner's got me thinkin'...
FWIW, I'm playing through a small but potent Berg HS210 and HT112ER little stack.
Thanks!
For those who have had the chance to A/B the Shuttle 9.0 and Streamliner 900, what do I give up in tone with my Shuttle 9.0 vs. a Streamliner 900? "Not much" is the answer I'm coming to - in fact, maybe the Streamliner will deliver more warmth and depth vs. the 9.0. Is the 9.0 more "flat" and the 900 more "fat"?. The Ed Friedland video with a/b was helpful sonically...others' experiences? Note: I play a clean sound (no distort/breakup). I can't justify having both amps and I got my Shuttle just before the Streamliner came about...
I'm really happy with my Shuttle 9.0, but the Streamliner's got me thinkin'...
FWIW, I'm playing through a small but potent Berg HS210 and HT112ER little stack.
Thanks!
+1. I usually judge any amp by how close in girth/thickness to each note up the fretboard/tube 'spread' to each note it can get to my DB750. That amp is worth the weight and awkward carry every time I plug it in. Just sounds fantastic with my Sadowsky and Accugroove cabs.
By that standard, the Streamliner 900 MORE than matches up. Yes it's different and shouldn't be thought of as an exact substitute for Big Daddy Aggie, but IMO/IME it accomplishes the same tone/feel overall, but with more EQ control and a much smaller/lighter form factor.
My true test for this head will be to play at a regular venue that has been the testing grounds for every bass/cab/amp I've owned. I know the room intimately and will know by how my drummer reacts whether I should keep it or dump it. When I picked up my current Sadowsky (or any for that matter) and got back a DB750 after a short break (Markbass/Epifani), he gave me one of these
when he heard the first note, followed by 'don't EVER get rid of that!!!'That is the most gushing review for the Streamliner yet. In the ballpark of a DB750? Really? Thats the dream amp for tone. Cost & portability being the problem but its that close? Wow.
Really. Especially in terms of girth to each note, and a nice combo of SS quickness/sheen and tube warmth/spread. However, unlike the DB750, and to me this puts the Streamliner ahead, the bottom end is tighter and you can dial in the midrange to sound completely different than the Aguilar. It has a more chameleon-like nature and there is a TON of options from how you set the gain/vol/master volume, ranging from ultra-clean to agressive and in-your-face, with infinite points in between.
Its weird how this thread can give me gas for an amp I already have
+1. I've played mine for an easy 5 hours today....just never gets old letting those notes grind and growl.
Actually, I'll be doing just that in about 3 weeks time, and will be happy to share the results. I strongly suspect that the differences will be much greater recorded than live, but that's just a guess.
And yes, you are kind of looking at it wrong - and I'm not trying to offend here, honest - the DI in any of the micro amps on the market will all sound in the same sonic league. Certainly competent and acceptable by most standards, but nothing with any great sense of personality. In point of fact, even the heavyweight amps (DB750, GBE1200, TFB750A) will also sound fairly similar in terms of their DI outs. If you want something exotic, you'll need to buy it. Your current pre likely has as good a DI out as you will find on any production amp.
Please listen to me here; if you buy an amp for it's DI you will almost certainly be disappointed. Buy an amp because it's "your" sound. If you are that picky about your FOH sound (and there is no reason not to be), ask your sound tech to run both a DI feed and a mic feed from your cabinet. By all accounts, that's how the heavies "roll".
I have a Reddi DI, and don't use it live on my gigs because it just doesn't make much difference with the dinky sound systems we use in most cases. It will make a difference if (and only if) you are using a fairly sophisticated sound system with a knowledgeable operator, preferably one that is familiar with your sound and your band's music.
Happy to discuss this further by PM if you're into it - I've used a ton of amps, pres, and DIs in my day. It's very difficult to notice the difference in a live mix without a far better setup than most people ever have access to.
Its weird how this thread can give me gas for an amp I already have
That pales in comparison to those that are waiting for delivery, brother.
This head has really got me interested. I'm a Ampeg (tube) diehard though. But I'm kinda peeking around the corner (hoping no one sees me) spying on an amp that weighs 6.5 lbs, and is supposed to be built like a tank and sounds to back it up. Seeing they can be had for $750 and not what I thought($999) its extremely appealing.
So for you who own one or have spent any time with one a couple questions...
1) play in an old school heavy rock band. Guitarists use real vintage marshalls and cabs not reissues, play vintage gibsons, real B3 player...ect ect....This is the reason I use Tube Ampeg through big Boogie or Ampeg cabs and Fender P basses (sometimes J) Also needing another T-bird. SO....would this amp fit the bill?
2) At 900 watts @ 4 ohms I assume this amp would sound killer through 2, 212 cabs but what will it do through a Mesa Powerhouse 1000 or an Ampeg 8x10?
3) is there or will there be a rack mount kit for the Streamliner 900??
So for you who own one or have spent any time with one a couple questions...
1) play in an old school heavy rock band. Guitarists use real vintage marshalls and cabs not reissues, play vintage gibsons, real B3 player...ect ect....This is the reason I use Tube Ampeg through big Boogie or Ampeg cabs and Fender P basses (sometimes J) Also needing another T-bird. SO....would this amp fit the bill?
2) At 900 watts @ 4 ohms I assume this amp would sound killer through 2, 212 cabs but what will it do through a Mesa Powerhouse 1000 or an Ampeg 8x10?
3) is there or will there be a rack mount kit for the Streamliner 900??
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I wrote in detail about the Genz DI out a few years ago as did others.. I have no idea how to find it here on TB..
We compared it to the industry standard Countryman Type 85 FET DI.. And there were no discernible differences in tone. So I made life easier by just using an already perfect DI in the amp..
I always run Pre EQ out at LINE level...
I just found out the SL900 Pre is Post Tube from one of Hasbeen's Posts... which is very cool... My SL900 has been on over a dozen gigs so far and really is working out very well..
We compared it to the industry standard Countryman Type 85 FET DI.. And there were no discernible differences in tone. So I made life easier by just using an already perfect DI in the amp..
I always run Pre EQ out at LINE level...
I just found out the SL900 Pre is Post Tube from one of Hasbeen's Posts... which is very cool... My SL900 has been on over a dozen gigs so far and really is working out very well..
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