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Genz Benz Streamliner; Part 4

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Fretless5verfan said:
Did some research and found that the law actually has nothing to do with weight. It's size. THAT makes much more sense lmao.
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duh! what did i say in the post where i first brought it up? small, loud and low...you can't have all 3. red was the one who brought up light. as i said before, you can find light cabs that are loud as all getout all day long. that has nothing to do with size. that's weight.
 
#485
JimmyM said:
duh! what did i say in the post where i first brought it up? small, loud and low...you can't have all 3. red was the one who brought up light. as i said before, you can find light cabs that are loud as all getout all day long. that has nothing to do with size. that's weight.
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Jimmy,

The problem with what you are saying is that it's all relative. No one is suggesting that a larger box won't be able to get louder and deeper than a smaller one. The point is that smaller boxes have been getting louder, lower AND smaller all at the same time since Hoffman. Driver advancements and cabinet designs are far more sophisticated. Sure, that also means that their larger cousins are getting louder and lower also because those bigger cabs can also take advantage of the same advancements. As we're able to push more and more wattage in smaller packages, and as driver design allows those drivers to handle it, then the end result is we don't have to carry as much speaker as we used to in order to get the job done. Size is only one variable in Hoffmans law. Other variables can be manipulated to compensate to some extent. Advancements are constantly pushing the degree to which numbers can be changed.

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#487
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This is a Streamliner thread. This last bit has been a fun discussion, but if you want to continue it, lets have you guys go start another Hoffman's Iron Law thread, ok?
Not trying to quash y'all, just trying to re-direct back to topic.

thx
 
#489
Chef said:
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This is a Streamliner thread. This last bit has been a fun discussion, but if you want to continue it, lets have you guys go start another Hoffman's Iron Law thread, ok?
Not trying to quash y'all, just trying to re-direct back to topic.

thx
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Both posted at 7:27:D

Of course you have the authority thank goodness !!!!
 
#490
I'm on it! Hope to have my Streamliner in less than two weeks! Can't wait to put it on the Berg!

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#491
Chef said:
True Story:
guitar watts are different, I swear.

Loudest guitar player I can recall working with recently was using an 18 watt tube amp of his own design, based loosely on the Fender Princeton/Champ kinda thing, with another 115 underneath.
He was literally so loud he was overpowering the PA, and sending me home crying like a schoolgirl.

We fired him.
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Here's a comment Bill Fitzmaurice made in another thread; the same concept seems to explain the difference between "guitar watts," and "bass watts:"

billfitzmaurice said:
The 3dB reduction in power density with each octave increase in frequency is how a tweeter rated at 10 watts can work with a woofer rated at 100 watts.
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#493
Any GB Shuttlemax users that have already transitioned to a Streamliner? I absolutely love my Shuttlemax 6.0 and really don't have expectations regarding my Streamliner 900 on order. I am really interested to find out which I will like more.
 
#494
So I'm still waiting for LA dealers to get Streamliners in so I can try one out...

In the meantime, I'm playing an Eden WT400. Can any of you gents describe what I can expect out of a Streamliner as compared to the Eden? I mean, tone-wise, apart from the increased power and headroom.
 
#495
This thread is makin me feel like the month I quit drinkin!
OK it was really 3 weeks. Want one want one want one
My shuttle 9 puts out 900 watts too but y'all think this amp is so much better. An owner told me it was mid scooped recently. You shuttle 9 owners like red planet think you gave up some mid punch for whatever else the SL has to offer? Or Not?
It's OK to be honest.
 
#496
mntngrown said:
This thread is makin me feel like the month I quit drinkin!
OK it was really 3 weeks. Want one want one want one
My shuttle 9 puts out 900 watts too but y'all think this amp is so much better. An owner told me it was mid scooped recently. You shuttle 9 owners like red planet think you gave up some mid punch for whatever else the SL has to offer? Or Not?
It's OK to be honest.
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I asked this same question a few pages back, and got some great answers.
 
#497
mntngrown said:
This thread is makin me feel like the month I quit drinkin!
OK it was really 3 weeks. Want one want one want one
My shuttle 9 puts out 900 watts too but y'all think this amp is so much better. An owner told me it was mid scooped recently. You shuttle 9 owners like red planet think you gave up some mid punch for whatever else the SL has to offer? Or Not?
It's OK to be honest.
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It is a very different amp. Those who love the Shuttle 9 (I don't) might not like this amp and vice versa. It is in no way 'scooped'. It is much deeper and more full in the low end than the Shuttle 9 (based on a recent A/B I did with TBer Mikebass), less upper mid bright, and it is cleaner when run clean, and grindier when pushed. With a slight decrease in the bass control and a slight bump in the low mids, it is punchy as heck.

The Shuttle 9 is closer in tone to my Markbass F500... tight, punchy, feels 'quick', quite bright in the upper midrange, and a sizzly treble response if you want it. The Streamliner is fatter, has a bit of that classic 'tube compression' feel to it, smoother in the upper mids, more organic up top (plenty of treble, but much more of a warm, tube driven top end).

The volume and push of the Streamliner 900 also feels quite a bit 'bigger' than the Shuttle 9, even though they use the same power module. So, something going on with the limiting, etc. that does make a meaningful difference.

I hear very little 'tube' in the Shuttle 9. I hear nothing but tube in the Streamliner:D.

IMO and IME. As a few have said, the Streamliner is in NO way the 'new Shuttle' or any sort of update of the Shuttle. It is more like the Mesa M9 versus the BB750, or the Markbass LMIII versus the F500... quite different voicing and performance that will most likely appeal to a different type of player.
 
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