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Genz Benz Streamliner; Part 4
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Do the laptop or Gator bags give enough padding for the SL900? Also, if they don't fit quite right, won't the amp bounce around inside instead of being held in place?
Good ideas though, if it really will protect the amp enough I think I'll go that way.
Good ideas though, if it really will protect the amp enough I think I'll go that way.
My bad - I was thinking you said that you guys were covering some Disturbed and the like. Too many head traumas
Actually, we DO cover Disturbed!
But I guess I consider that heavy rock rather than Metal. Maybe I'm wrong. We also do some Shinedown and some 3 Days Grace, but again, I don't consider that Metal.Anyway, no big deal. It works awesomely for those bands in any event!
svtb15
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likewise.. im a gig whore.. always hunting.. haha
Congrats SoonerMatt! Your long wait is over dude!! Svtb15...let me know if you are ever in the market for a dependable sub bass player!
Jazzdogg
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If my math is correct, the difference in maximum SPL between a Streamliner 600 and a Streamliner 900 is about 2dB.
.........................Watts........ Watts
........................8 Ohms.......4 Ohms
Streamliner 600........375............500
Streamliner 900........500............900
SPL difference..........2dB............2dB
"Standardized" audio measurements are taken at 1kHz, not bass frequencies. Which leads to my question: How many additional decibels do we bassists perceive as a significant increase in headroom through a bass rig?
.........................Watts........ Watts
........................8 Ohms.......4 Ohms
Streamliner 600........375............500
Streamliner 900........500............900
SPL difference..........2dB............2dB
"Standardized" audio measurements are taken at 1kHz, not bass frequencies. Which leads to my question: How many additional decibels do we bassists perceive as a significant increase in headroom through a bass rig?
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Kirk came over today and I got to test out the Streamliner...I believe there's one in my future...time to sell some gear to raise the funds!...Thanks Kirk!...
It was cool to play the Streamliner side by side with the Shuttle 9.0 and the GBE 1200...all three amazing amps...
It was cool to play the Streamliner side by side with the Shuttle 9.0 and the GBE 1200...all three amazing amps...
I had a white box sitting outside my door this afternoon.
The 600 kicks butt. Even through my 210 I was getting fat bottom and an insanely warm tone. This is exactly the tone I was looking for and will definitely play the bajeezus out of this little guy!
Told you you would get it today! Bam! Mine arrived in Minneapolis tonight so it will be out for delivery in the AM! Can't wait!
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Just spent an hour or so with them, but here goes...(I'll alos let Kirk jump in)...
Basses used were a 73 Fender Jazz, and a new Fender Custom Shop Reggie Hamilton
The Streamliner is very tubey and warm, but with a nice clear clean when wanted...can get really growly when dialid in...and loud. I like the simplicity of the front. It really sounded great with the reggie and through the Genz Benz NEO212T...we also tested it with a couple of Aguilar S210 cabs, and it sounded fantastic...really tight and crisp.
The Shuttle 9.0 was definately more hi-fi sounding, with a really super clean and bright tone....nice slap tone...but has plenty of low end available...and is quite loud also. I think it sounded best through the two Aggie S210's
The GBE 1200 is a beast...still just my favorite lead sled head...Been using this for a few years now w/no issues at all...great power and headroom...love both the tube and FET channels, and which between them all the time...I use the Mid Cut option for some slap passages...and the low boost to "pillow up" the bottom end from time to time (depending on the room)...This head will be in the arsonal for many more years I believe...but note, I'm getting an SL900 also...
KIRK...feel free to comment...
Basses used were a 73 Fender Jazz, and a new Fender Custom Shop Reggie Hamilton
The Streamliner is very tubey and warm, but with a nice clear clean when wanted...can get really growly when dialid in...and loud. I like the simplicity of the front. It really sounded great with the reggie and through the Genz Benz NEO212T...we also tested it with a couple of Aguilar S210 cabs, and it sounded fantastic...really tight and crisp.
The Shuttle 9.0 was definately more hi-fi sounding, with a really super clean and bright tone....nice slap tone...but has plenty of low end available...and is quite loud also. I think it sounded best through the two Aggie S210's
The GBE 1200 is a beast...still just my favorite lead sled head...Been using this for a few years now w/no issues at all...great power and headroom...love both the tube and FET channels, and which between them all the time...I use the Mid Cut option for some slap passages...and the low boost to "pillow up" the bottom end from time to time (depending on the room)...This head will be in the arsonal for many more years I believe...but note, I'm getting an SL900 also...
KIRK...feel free to comment...
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yes the slap tone sounded nice...I don't use a lot of slap in my current gig...but do always seem to slap a bit when noodling around...
The SL900 seems like a really functional head for the type of band I'm in, and the tone I'm after...I'm going to have to start saving up some funds...lol
The SL900 seems like a really functional head for the type of band I'm in, and the tone I'm after...I'm going to have to start saving up some funds...lol
Thanks for this, Jazzdogg.
Isn't it true that to perceive a difference in volume, it takes a minimum of 3 db - which equates to about double the watts? I'm guessing... My recall isn't what it used to be...
I'm still not understanding the need for the power of 900 watts (500 at 8 ohms)... I toured with a V-9 + one "fridge" for years (220 watts @ 4 ohms), and seldom got the volume above 1/3, and even at that, it was freakin LOUD!!! Lately, I've been using the RH450 from just under to just over half of the master volume. So, certainly not all of the 280 watts on tap... So, I bought the SL600, because 600 watts is three times as "potent" as my vintage SVT... And by that token, I can't imagine needing more...
Higher power is not so much about 'volume' (in most cases) as it is about a clean, open low end. Of course, you need a cab that can actually use the power to hear that difference, but it can be quite large. Also, remember that the Genz power specs are based as much on their power management and limiting design (very cool) as the raw output of the ICE modules they use in the amp. So, the higher power will allow you to keep your tone a bit cleaner at very high volumes, and also result in a bit more actual volume and open, uncompressed low end.
VERY difficult to compare volume output of amps based on wattage specs. Of course, if you have a little 210 or 112 with decent sensitivity, all this is a moot point. If you have an 8ohm 410, the difference can be HUGE when you start pushing toward the end of the night.
My deal is that, unless you are on a strict budget, or you know you will never play very loud (i.e., you typically do jazz trio gigs or whatever), I would pony up for the 9. Nice to never even have to think about running out of headroom or 'clean', open, non compressed tone, and the master volume knob will let you play as soft as you want
Also, careful about attributing the output capability of any amp to 'how loud it is at a given master volume knob setting'. All these companies use different taper designs and gain structures. One company's master at 10 o'clock could easily put that amp at full output, while another company's master volume taper design might be usable all the way to 3 o'clock. For example, the RH450 comes to 'full power' pretty quickly on the master volume taper, especially if you have the post EQ volume (similar to the second volume control on the Streamliner) set all the way up (the tubetone knob function is shift mode). For the streamliner, it still has LOTS of output past the noon setting on the master taper with the 'standard' input setting (noon and noon) with most basses.
Thanks, Ken! Understood about the volume taper, and clean headroom. But how much headroom is enough? What I'm hearing you say is that over-kill should suffice for any setting. And it is the clean tube-i-ness I'm after as well... Not to mention I like the 900 cosmetics better! I feel a bit silly for having got the 600 now!
My settings on the RH450 are input about 10 o'clock (compressor set about the same too), drop 220-250 hz about 4-5 clicks, post EQ vol @ 100%, tube tone (when used) +3 clicks... Master usually runs from 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock through either 1x12 or 1x15 (both TL cabs, KappaLite loaded, port covers installed). Typically, this is keeping up with "drum volume." Any louder and the Direct Out feeds the PA, typically... But the aim is to keep the stage volume equal to the drums.
I may still pick up the 900 and compare - best I can anyway.
My settings on the RH450 are input about 10 o'clock (compressor set about the same too), drop 220-250 hz about 4-5 clicks, post EQ vol @ 100%, tube tone (when used) +3 clicks... Master usually runs from 10 o'clock to 1 o'clock through either 1x12 or 1x15 (both TL cabs, KappaLite loaded, port covers installed). Typically, this is keeping up with "drum volume." Any louder and the Direct Out feeds the PA, typically... But the aim is to keep the stage volume equal to the drums.
I may still pick up the 900 and compare - best I can anyway.
I wouldn't feel silly at all about getting the 600. For most, my guess is they will not be able to hear the difference. I just like the concept of having 'enough for anything, no matter what'. That being said, assuming your input gain on the RH450 is set 'just below clip light', and with the secondary volume all the way up, that 10 to 1 o'clock master volume setting is probably running the RH450 very hot, with 1 o'clock being pretty much full output.
I assume the 600 would be pretty similar to the RH450 output, which is VERY beefy for a 450 watt spec.
I continue to dig both heads very much, but am REALLY digging the more open tone of the SL900/600. There is something about both the low end and high end of this amp that is unique. As others have posted, the low end has that IMO unique voicing of being very deep, but yet also punchy, without having to dial in low mids or whatever (I guess the term 'round' fits this voicing... very fat and deep, but very good 'note definition' down low). And, the top end is even more unique, with a full treble extension all the way up, but zero 'click or clack' to the voicing... very organic and warm. Quite impressive to me!
I finally got my Streamliner 600 yesterday. WOW! Awesome tone. Paired with a Berg HT112ER. I have a EX112ER on hold to go along with it. It's everything that people have been raving about. A small, portable, tubey warm rig thats powerful, what more could you want. Thanks to Greg at Rocket Music, awesome to deal with. Oh, here's a pic of Jeff Genzler and I. No, that's not my 600, but mine looks just like it
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